Jase
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Actually warriors are also a hybrid class, just not as hybrid as druids 
I do prefer warrior for tanking though, but I have seen druids and paladins tank just fine. My preference is merely a personal one. I have always like playing the warrior class. There are situations where the one works better than the other, which is why its good for a guild to have all 3. Crushing blows and magical damage is an issue for bear tanks, but warriors have other issues. Warriors can be victim to some massive spike damage if those big blows happen to arrive when things are on cooldown. Can be a suprise for the healers.
Im in a casual guild and we have been on SSC for a few weeks. We only downed Morogrom Tidewalker last night for the first time on the second attempt of the night. On the first attempt the hunter used md to the warrior mt, Morogrim ran up to him and stomped on him once and killed him. The second attempt went like clockwork. Warriors hp never went below 60% and was mostly topped up. He had a great time. It was yours truly and the other offtanks who worked like dogs gathering up murlocs.
We use our druids for offtanking 25man raid often. Works well. They play a key role. Paladin tank for the aoe tanking also works very well. They are all important.
I do prefer warrior for tanking though, but I have seen druids and paladins tank just fine. My preference is merely a personal one. I have always like playing the warrior class. There are situations where the one works better than the other, which is why its good for a guild to have all 3. Crushing blows and magical damage is an issue for bear tanks, but warriors have other issues. Warriors can be victim to some massive spike damage if those big blows happen to arrive when things are on cooldown. Can be a suprise for the healers.
Im in a casual guild and we have been on SSC for a few weeks. We only downed Morogrom Tidewalker last night for the first time on the second attempt of the night. On the first attempt the hunter used md to the warrior mt, Morogrim ran up to him and stomped on him once and killed him. The second attempt went like clockwork. Warriors hp never went below 60% and was mostly topped up. He had a great time. It was yours truly and the other offtanks who worked like dogs gathering up murlocs.
We use our druids for offtanking 25man raid often. Works well. They play a key role. Paladin tank for the aoe tanking also works very well. They are all important.
blaiz
Well-Known Member
Very true, nowadays almost every spec has a place in a raid if played properly. Balance druids can do some sick dps, ret paladins can hold up ok, even disc priests have a few things they can give a raid now thanks to pain suppression being castable on someone else (power infusion is also fun...lots of fun).
I don't know how many of you raided pre-BC, but things have changed a lot since then, and I for one am grateful. (Feral druid tank pre-BC)
I don't know how many of you raided pre-BC, but things have changed a lot since then, and I for one am grateful. (Feral druid tank pre-BC)
blaiz
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Yeah, I would agree with you, if not for the fact that our top dps in 25mans for a few months was a balance druid. I assume he's something of an anomaly though, so in general I do agree that feral/resto > balance.
Thats shocking tbh... kick all your mages/locks/hunters/rogues...cos they slacking
as stated above druid = hybrid, jack of all trades, master of none... if a hybrid can outdps a pure dps class, theres sumthing wrong
PS And no hunters are not a hybrid class
as stated above druid = hybrid, jack of all trades, master of none... if a hybrid can outdps a pure dps class, theres sumthing wrong
PS And no hunters are not a hybrid class
blaiz
Well-Known Member
Well, to be fair this was still early 25mans, so the mages/lock/hunters/rogues were still on par dps wise. They do scale much better as we progressed, but the balance druid is holding up ok. They definitely have their uses...
And I'm confused as to why I would think hunters are a hybrid class.
And I'm confused as to why I would think hunters are a hybrid class.
With my ballance spec i own in duels and out dps warlocks,huters and rogues not all but alot.
People underestimate ballance.
I have to duel shamies in parties before they allow me to dps nobody wants
ballance dps they always ask me healer or tank NEVER dps ballance dps is not that bad they frakin take palas for dps i can asure you pala would NEVER beat me dps in ballance.
Pornolio
Expert Member
For me ... TBC sort of killed a lot of things in WoW which I really loved pre TBC. I have been raiding very actively since I started WoW a few years back, we were 5 bosses deep in Naxx on farming status, Full AQ40 clear with Cthun included, BWL full clear when we were bored, MC with alts etc.
Things which I miss from the old WoW days :
1 - Epic's were special back then...
2 - 40 man raids... hell yea those old MC / BWL / AQ 40 / Naxx raids were awesome.
3 - Tiered sets required a LOT more effort to build up. Most tiered sets required 8 pieces to complete a set. And you needed ALL the pieces for the full set bonus. If you saw a character in Orgri with Full tier 2/3 you know that person worked hard to get it...
4 - Less grinding required than TBC is current expecting. The mindless grind in TBC kills it for me. Its bad enough that you need to grind instances over and over to get enough rep to get a key to just grind some more. But then as a Hunter, I have to grind for herbs for pots, food for dps buffs, pet food, rep for enchants that you need... eg. head piece enchants, shoulder enchants etc. There was grinding in pre-TBC, but nowhere nearly as bad as now. Because there is more stuff you can buy and gimp on your gear, you need more gold, to get more gold you need to do more dailies, doing more dailies means repetitive quests over and over. The epic flying mount is another prime example.... 5k gold. Ouch... takes a LOT of grinding to get that moolah together.
But I think it does have its place in MMORPG's, as thats what gives you the sense of accomplishment.
Oh well... its going to be interesting to see what they will be changing WotLk.
Things which I miss from the old WoW days :
1 - Epic's were special back then...
2 - 40 man raids... hell yea those old MC / BWL / AQ 40 / Naxx raids were awesome.
3 - Tiered sets required a LOT more effort to build up. Most tiered sets required 8 pieces to complete a set. And you needed ALL the pieces for the full set bonus. If you saw a character in Orgri with Full tier 2/3 you know that person worked hard to get it...
4 - Less grinding required than TBC is current expecting. The mindless grind in TBC kills it for me. Its bad enough that you need to grind instances over and over to get enough rep to get a key to just grind some more. But then as a Hunter, I have to grind for herbs for pots, food for dps buffs, pet food, rep for enchants that you need... eg. head piece enchants, shoulder enchants etc. There was grinding in pre-TBC, but nowhere nearly as bad as now. Because there is more stuff you can buy and gimp on your gear, you need more gold, to get more gold you need to do more dailies, doing more dailies means repetitive quests over and over. The epic flying mount is another prime example.... 5k gold. Ouch... takes a LOT of grinding to get that moolah together.
But I think it does have its place in MMORPG's, as thats what gives you the sense of accomplishment.
Oh well... its going to be interesting to see what they will be changing WotLk.
Pitbull
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1. Agree
2. Sounds like Lag central
3. So you saying getting T6 is easy
4. Strongly agree, Grinding FTL !
hehe. We play to have fun. Its not a job and we dont treat our people like ****.
Peoples gear is constantly changing. If the mage/lock dps gear doesnt drop then it doesnt drop. We dont kick them for that. If peoples gear isnt up to spec, then its up to the guild to do more raids in other instances to get them geared. Sure we expect them to do what they can in terms of getting crafted gear and enchants etc. We dont recruit people for their gear, we recruit people who are mature and are willing to contribute, learn, and have a good time with the rest of us. Infact we recently kicked an initiate mage who had brilliant gear and was mouthing off in guild chat how louzy one of warlocks kit was and what a slacker he was. The lock had all the crafted shadow gear and had some blues and had just been unlucky on some drops in Gruul and kara. We would rather take the lock to SSC than that mage, anytime.
AMEN!!! brother AMEN!!!
now u have all these retards running through Shat with full tier 4 , 5 and fully badged noobs thinking they sooooo cool!! and tehy the elitzor!!.. when they have never even seen or done raggy or even neffy!!
if u have never played the original wow then u havent played wow!
Pornolio
Expert Member
@ Pitbull... comparing how hard it was to get tier 3 pre TBC vs tier 6. Yes, NO doubt about it. Naxx was one of the hardest instances ever in WoW.
Once you get into BT / MH, you can get your full tier 6 up and running in a month or two. Got my Tier 6 helm last night, and gloves I should be getting this week Thursday or Sunday, and we have Mother Sharaz on around 40 % which means another tiered token. So yes... Tier gear is a LOT easier to get now
Once you get into BT / MH, you can get your full tier 6 up and running in a month or two. Got my Tier 6 helm last night, and gloves I should be getting this week Thursday or Sunday, and we have Mother Sharaz on around 40 % which means another tiered token. So yes... Tier gear is a LOT easier to get now
Pitbull
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@ Pitbull... comparing how hard it was to get tier 3 pre TBC vs tier 6. Yes, NO doubt about it. Naxx was one of the hardest instances ever in WoW.
Once you get into BT / MH, you can get your full tier 6 up and running in a month or two. Got my Tier 6 helm last night, and gloves I should be getting this week Thursday or Sunday, and we have Mother Sharaz on around 40 % which means another tiered token. So yes... Tier gear is a LOT easier to get now
I WANT TIER6 /sad
hehe but I hear you. i never played pre-TBC just my thoughts though
Pitbull
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Do you guys know who I have respect for....
The guys who still has the old ranking systems infront of their name tags,
Those are hardcore WoW players. I saw a "High Lord" one day
Pornolio
Expert Member
Hell yes... those Rank 14 High Warlords... respect.
Anyone that has ever tried to reach rank 14 knows what I am talking about. The old PVP system was hardcore, and the guys that reached rank 14 had access to the most insane uber **drool** weapons / armour in the game.
Gief old PVP ranking system back !!!
New arena system is a joke. I Need one more item to complete my full Vengefull set, and the sad part is, give it a month or so and every single person will be walking in the major cities with almost full S3 Vengeful gladiator sets... Only the required 2000 rating is keeping people back from full sets
Anyone that has ever tried to reach rank 14 knows what I am talking about. The old PVP system was hardcore, and the guys that reached rank 14 had access to the most insane uber **drool** weapons / armour in the game.
Gief old PVP ranking system back !!!
New arena system is a joke. I Need one more item to complete my full Vengefull set, and the sad part is, give it a month or so and every single person will be walking in the major cities with almost full S3 Vengeful gladiator sets... Only the required 2000 rating is keeping people back from full sets
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9million( or is now 10million ?) subscribers think the TBC is good enough to pay money for
5K gold isnt hard to get. I earn about 600 gold per week, sometimes more, doing daily's selling herbs, flasks/elixirs and primals and I have day job. If I stopped raiding for a week or so, I could easily accumulate 5k gold with my 3 lvl 70's. IN fact, I looked at my cashflow one week and I earned 2,5k in a week. Spent 3k power leveling a profession. lol. I dont have the epic flying mount, because I spend the gold on other things. Anyway, its a nice to have. Doesnt exactly enhance my tanking in anyway.
Actually, good gear is a lot easier to get in TBC. Prior to TBC it was almost impossible for casual players to go do end game, because of the 40man requirement. Now we have a chance, and we are doing it. My guild consists of people who get home from work at 7pm. many have kids etc., Yet they are able to raid 3 or 4 nights a week. Gruul's Lair is a 30 minute run. We are currently learning SSC and spend 2 or 3 nights there from 20:30 to 23:00. We have downed Lurker and Tidewalker. We arnt blitzing our way through the content, but we are enjoying it. This wasnt possible prior to TBC. You had to be in a massive guilds and the crap that entailed.
retards ?? You never had T4, T5 gear ???? The game moved on from T2 and T3
Maybe some of those "retards" with their T4 and T5 did clear BWL and Naxx. I know quite a few who did and currently have T4 and T5. In fact some of them joined a casual guild because they had enough of those MC/BWL/Naxx days and wanted to actually have a laugh.