Tanking issues since Cata (Cata patch)

[Oculate]

Was trying to edit and say "My Macros"

Pitbull because you have points in Thunderstruck you want to delay your first Shockwave as long as you can (about 5-6sec at most after engaging the group) preferably after your thunderclap. Use those few seconds to clump the mobs together then shockwave them

Takes a bit of practice, but once you get it down, you can easily charge a melee mob, strafe round to the caster and stun the entire group before the caster fires anything off

 

[zippy]

But don't you think that is a bit counter productive?

Couple of things here:

1. As a DPS you should know how to manage your aggro. (If you guild fails at knowing that I doubt anyone can help them)
2. As you have been playing a tank you know it's just causing crap for everyone in the raid is a DPS tart pulls aggro out of spite. You're lucky though as you have ice block. If you where any other class I would let you die

I have been in the guild for 2.5 years and we all know each very well. However, the reaction of the tank and healers tells why I will never leave this guild, however they may annoy me from time to time. They take my antics as a challenge. Instead of moaning, pallies will put put their threat reducing buff on me, hunters continue to md whenever possible, rogues do tricks. It's basically competition between me and our lock so that we can take the piss out of our bear tanks raiding would be boring otherwise.

Btw, I am levelling a resto shammy and, yes, I let the dps die if they ninja pull, especially mages


Fact is, that warriors require a few seconds to build threat while vengeance stacks, the other classes don't, especially dk's and paladins. They have better upfront burst dps. This means the raid can put in more dps faster. It is what is. I love warrior tanking, but its not as effective as the other classes.

 

[zippy]

I'll tell what I think is wrong with the warrior as a tanking class. The strength stat. It should contribute more to avoidance and dmg mitigation.

Druids get crit and dodge from a single stat, agility, without spending talents

Prior to catalog, warriors got ap and block value from strength. Block value was removed from game when catalog was released.

Dk's get parry and ap from strength.

This forces warriors to gem more for avoidance than druids and dk's, considering that besides tier gear warriors share the same loot as dk's

 

[Oculate]

I'll tell what I think is wrong with the warrior as a tanking class. The strength stat. It should contribute more to avoidance and dmg mitigation.

Druids get crit and dodge from a single stat, agility, without spending talents

Prior to catalog, warriors got ap and block value from strength. Block value was removed from game when catalog was released.

Dk's get parry and ap from strength.

This forces warriors to gem more for avoidance than druids and dk's, considering that besides tier gear warriors share the same loot as dk's

I do agree with what you've said,

In my opinion the other classes are just meh to play with though... I miss my mobility too much

 

[zippy]

I do agree with what you've said,

In my opinion the other classes are just meh to play with though... I miss my mobility too much

Yeah, I have tried tanking with the other classes. Didnt like it at all.
Paladin - using magic to tank...
Dk. - no shield. 2h, duel wielding... Identity crisis. I think of mortal strike, blade flurry. Feels weird
Druid - all I see is my fat bear ass, and am I the raid leaders pet....

 

[Pitbull]

Yeah, I have tried tanking with the other classes. Didnt like it at all.
Paladin - using magic to tank...
Dk. - no shield. 2h, duel wielding... Identity crisis. I think of mortal strike, blade flurry. Feels weird
Druid - all I see is my fat bear ass, and am I the raid leaders pet....

I loved Pala tanking back in WoTLK when they still could. Since then they changed the Aggro buff from 90% to 80% and I didn't even bother again. I have to admit, tanking with a warrior is just leagues more fun than tanking with a Pala. This in my own experience though.

 

[Tinuva]

I loved Pala tanking back in WoTLK when they still could. Since then they changed the Aggro buff from 90% to 80% and I didn't even bother again. I have to admit, tanking with a warrior is just leagues more fun than tanking with a Pala. This in my own experience though.

+1 to that!

I have tanked on Warrior, Pala, and DK, currently only my DK and Warrior is 85 though. Don't even feel like leveling my paladin tbh. Druid I've only done a bit in classic, back in the days so really can't say much about them.

 

[Kaine]

druid tanking is dead boring, that is all, moving right long. was OOT in icc when tanks couldnt raid, and it was even duller than (currently) doing archeology.

 

[Fayera]

What class is currently the best tank?

 

[Pitbull]

What class is currently the best tank?

Took me a while to get use to the new way of Warrior tanking. But I would say Warriors stay the best tanking class. Guess it depends on preference though.

Ooo let me see if my Armory has updated

 

[poffle]

its just because warriors are bad-ass and also the "Original" tank

 

[Tinuva]

The only problem I have with warrior tanking, as your gear improves, the more impossible tanking random heroics become. I literally have to pull without CC to gain enough rage, and this is with only taking offspec gear when other tanks dont need it anymore.

 

[Pitbull]

The only problem I have with warrior tanking, as your gear improves, the more impossible tanking random heroics become. I literally have to pull without CC to gain enough rage, and this is with only taking offspec gear when other tanks dont need it anymore.

Is it because of you avoidance?

I read somewhere that Stamina and Block should get preference over Parry and Dodge, I can only assume this being the reason for such a statement?
Apparently one should aim for a total of 75% of which around 45% should be block, and then 15 Dodge / Parry. Then from these push up block at the price of parry and dodge. Or something to that effect.

 

[Tinuva]

I am sitting around 84% avoidance at the moment, however since its offspec I don't fine tune it too much, I just use the combo gems for 30sta and 20party/dodge. Works fair enough for the few times I do need to tank in raids. In RHC with the 15% buff I usually sit easy with 220k hp.

 

[Fayera]

Can not decide between DK or warrior tank, I would like to have a main that's good in pvp as well and I suck as a warrior

 

[Pitbull]

Can not decide between DK or warrior tank, I would like to have a main that's good in pvp as well and I suck as a warrior

Do you have a level 65 toon as yet?
If not you can't have a DK till one of your toons reach that level. It really depends on what you want out of your main toon. If you want a good tank which is great at PvP roll a Druid Rogue in PvP (Cat form) Tank (Bear) in Dungeons and raids.

 

[w1z4rd]

I am sitting around 84% avoidance at the moment, however since its offspec I don't fine tune it too much, I just use the combo gems for 30sta and 20party/dodge. Works fair enough for the few times I do need to tank in raids. In RHC with the 15% buff I usually sit easy with 220k hp.

Shouldnt be a problem, most dps classes should be able to cc anything they pull out the pack. Noticed this as well. My gnome mage has had to do some orsm kiting in frost spec. I can normally easily solo a normal elite. Its those buggers that I cant freeze that are a problem.... but thats what invisibility was invented for

DK tanking is really really easy.

 

[Fayera]

hehe yea I'm only at level 8 at the moment, but can not decide if I should do the effort in leveling my professions or wait till I can get a DK...hehe I joined the SA guild on Lightbringer EU, horde, last night only so still a LONG way to go.

 

[poffle]

lvl ur warrior as tank till 65. if you enjoy it, stick. if not turn him into dps and go DK tank best of both worlds.

But insta queues as tank is <3

 

[Oculate]

The only problem I have with warrior tanking, as your gear improves, the more impossible tanking random heroics become. I literally have to pull without CC to gain enough rage

Agreed

I'm sitting on 50% block, 14% parry and 14% dodge which works out to 85% avoidance raid buffed (83% unbuffed)