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palomagas.co.za

Paloma Gas Geyser - 26l/min

Palomas 26 litres per minute LPG or natural gas geyser is economical and efficient and perfect for the South African environment.
palomagas.co.za palomagas.co.za

These bad boys still require an electrical connection sadly. Anybody know of a similar sized geyser that has a battery backup up system? Or is there any easy way to avoid load shedding issues with these Paloma guys?
 
Gudnews said:
palomagas.co.za

Paloma Gas Geyser - 26l/min

Palomas 26 litres per minute LPG or natural gas geyser is economical and efficient and perfect for the South African environment.
palomagas.co.za palomagas.co.za

These bad boys still require an electrical connection sadly. Anybody know of a similar sized geyser that has a battery backup up system? Or is there any easy way to avoid load shedding issues with these Paloma guys?
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Why would it need electricity?
 
For the electronics and the pilot light.

AFAIK they draw very little you could put them onto one of those small pc ups's and they should work fine.
 
Mars said:
For the electronics and the pilot light.

AFAIK they draw very little you could put them onto one of those small pc ups's and they should work fine.
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ELECTRICAL CONNECTION

The water heater is supplied with a 1.8 metre lead and plug and requires a permanent weatherproof 240 V 50 Hz general purpose outlet (GPO) to be located within 1.2 metres of the installation. The GPO must be clear of the flue exhaust, draining water, gas supply pipe and water connections. The water heater will only operate on a sine wave at 50 Hz.

Devices generating a square wave cannot be used to supply power to the water heater.

Would an ups work with this?
 
tech.co.za

Eaton 5E 1500i 1500VA Tower Essential Line-Interactive UPS

(Outputs: 6 IEC C13, USB Comm. Port) 2 years warranty…
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APC Back-UPS BX500CI UPS Tower (500VA)

<b>Protection<br></b>Battery and surge protected outlets Back up and protect your hardware and data during power outages, surges and spikes. <br>Surge only outlets Protect secondary electronics from surges and spikes without reducing battery power used to run primary electronics during an...
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Any of these bad boys with a plug head change if necessary? What's the key spec to look out for?
 
I have a 3 phase instant hot water geyser

its 24kw, and this is the problem with these geysers, you need 3 phase power

I don't have load shedding issues, haven't had load shedding for 3 years now.
 
Gudnews said:
ELECTRICAL CONNECTION

The water heater is supplied with a 1.8 metre lead and plug and requires a permanent weatherproof 240 V 50 Hz general purpose outlet (GPO) to be located within 1.2 metres of the installation. The GPO must be clear of the flue exhaust, draining water, gas supply pipe and water connections. The water heater will only operate on a sine wave at 50 Hz.

Devices generating a square wave cannot be used to supply power to the water heater.

Would an ups work with this?
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I wonder why that is the case

it can't really be because of the electrical heating that the electricity connection does for anti-freezing. And it is unlikely to be the electronics because switched mode power supplies don't care about square waves.

I would put my money on there being coils in the unit that do a spark gap to light the geyser, which is why they don't want additional harmonics in the system.
 
Gudnews said:
palomagas.co.za

Paloma Gas Geyser - 26l/min

Palomas 26 litres per minute LPG or natural gas geyser is economical and efficient and perfect for the South African environment.
palomagas.co.za palomagas.co.za

These bad boys still require an electrical connection sadly. Anybody know of a similar sized geyser that has a battery backup up system? Or is there any easy way to avoid load shedding issues with these Paloma guys?
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It is really quite simple, don't buy any UPS or backup power system that does not specifically say "pure sine wave".
Ask palomagas for recommendations of what to get.
 
Gudnews said:
I'm not that smart, that stuff was copy pasted from their brochure. Is there a solution?
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A normal PC UPS will output a modified or square wave. As uncle @Geoff.D said: you need something that outputs a pure sine wave. Then you'll also need something to charge it and keep it charged.

Let's take a step backwards. Are you only worried about hot water or are you planning on implementing other measures to counter loadshedding? I'm assuming this is for loadshedding.

If you are, then you have to power this device with whatever pure sine wave inverter you're going to use to power the other devices in your house
 
Gudnews said:
palomagas.co.za

Paloma Gas Geyser - 26l/min

Palomas 26 litres per minute LPG or natural gas geyser is economical and efficient and perfect for the South African environment.
palomagas.co.za palomagas.co.za

These bad boys still require an electrical connection sadly. Anybody know of a similar sized geyser that has a battery backup up system? Or is there any easy way to avoid load shedding issues with these Paloma guys?
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Any particular reason you want a powered one rather than a battery ignited zero-pressure?
Takes some D cell batteries then
 
The_Donkey said:
A normal PC UPS will output a modified or square wave. As uncle @Geoff.D said: you need something that outputs a pure sine wave. Then you'll also need something to charge it and keep it charged.

Let's take a step backwards. Are you only worried about hot water or are you planning on implementing other measures to counter loadshedding? I'm assuming this is for loadshedding.

If you are, then you have to power this device with whatever pure sine wave inverter you're going to use to power the other devices in your house
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Both my APC UPS's output pure sinewave. I have never used any other brand and never will
 
Gudnews said:
palomagas.co.za

Paloma Gas Geyser - 26l/min

Palomas 26 litres per minute LPG or natural gas geyser is economical and efficient and perfect for the South African environment.
palomagas.co.za palomagas.co.za

These bad boys still require an electrical connection sadly. Anybody know of a similar sized geyser that has a battery backup up system? Or is there any easy way to avoid load shedding issues with these Paloma guys?
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Any reason you want this model?
there are others that run on Batteries


totai.co.za

Gas Geyser Prices South Africa | Gas Water Heaters | Totai

Totai provides gas water heaters & geyser prices in South Africa. We offer 10L, 12L, 16L, 20L & 5L camping gas geysers. Contact us today for more info!
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www.gasgeysers.co.za

Shop - Dewhot Gas Geysers and Hobs

Products Archive - Dewhot Gas Geysers and Hobs
www.gasgeysers.co.za www.gasgeysers.co.za
 
The_Donkey said:
A normal PC UPS will output a modified or square wave. As uncle @Geoff.D said: you need something that outputs a pure sine wave. Then you'll also need something to charge it and keep it charged.

Let's take a step backwards. Are you only worried about hot water or are you planning on implementing other measures to counter loadshedding? I'm assuming this is for loadshedding.

If you are, then you have to power this device with whatever pure sine wave inverter you're going to use to power the other devices in your house
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I'm not too keen on going above and beyond to counter loadshedding unless it's much simpler and cheaper than I think, that potential ups solution seemed within my realm.
 
PsyWulf said:
Any particular reason you want a powered one rather than a battery ignited zero-pressure?
Takes some D cell batteries then
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isie said:
Any reason you want this model?
there are others that run on Batteries


totai.co.za

Gas Geyser Prices South Africa | Gas Water Heaters | Totai

Totai provides gas water heaters & geyser prices in South Africa. We offer 10L, 12L, 16L, 20L & 5L camping gas geysers. Contact us today for more info!
totai.co.za totai.co.za

www.gasgeysers.co.za

Shop - Dewhot Gas Geysers and Hobs

Products Archive - Dewhot Gas Geysers and Hobs
www.gasgeysers.co.za www.gasgeysers.co.za
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Paloma's website is a treasure trove of information compared with those links you gave me. I'm a novice who needs guidance and they offered it. Anyway I don't see a 26L geyser amongst the alternatives. If I could buy 2 of them, could they work of a singular installation like the Palomas can? The 16L Dewhot constant temperature one seems interesting: https://www.gasgeysers.co.za/product-category/constant_temperature/
 
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