Tankless geysers

Gudnews said:
Paloma's website is a treasure trove of information compared with those links you gave me. I'm a novice who needs guidance and they offered it. Anyway I don't see a 26L geyser amongst the alternatives. If I could buy 2 of them, could they work of a singular installation like the Palomas can?
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These things are beasts and IMO the best gas geyser.
 
We run two gas 'geysers', one is a an Atlas 16l variable flow outdoor with remote control panel using mains electricity supply and the other a DewHot 5l fixed flow indoor which uses a 9v battery to ignite. Both have worked faultlessly although we don't use the smaller one that much as it feeds the outbuildings at the back of our property with the larger feeding the main house and we have an ESS so electricity for the larger geyser is never a problem.
 
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These things are beasts and IMO the best gas geyser.
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I hope their next model range offers battery solutions as back up. Loadshedding and no hot water is a bummer.
 
Gudnews said:
Paloma's website is a treasure trove of information compared with those links you gave me. I'm a novice who needs guidance and they offered it. Anyway I don't see a 26L geyser amongst the alternatives. If I could buy 2 of them, could they work of a singular installation like the Palomas can? The 16L Dewhot constant temperature one seems interesting: https://www.gasgeysers.co.za/product-category/constant_temperature/
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The constant temps are more fancy thus the mains power requirement

You can double up on smaller ones in Parallel configurations if needed for the battery-ignited

Sidenote: 26L is a bit huge though,we're using a 20L and you can run 2 showers and a tap comfortably (added cold water to cool it down and add pressure of course - 55C is too hot for us to only use hot water anyway)
 
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Gudnews said:
Paloma's website is a treasure trove of information compared with those links you gave me. I'm a novice who needs guidance and they offered it. Anyway I don't see a 26L geyser amongst the alternatives. If I could buy 2 of them, could they work of a singular installation like the Palomas can? The 16L Dewhot constant temperature one seems interesting: https://www.gasgeysers.co.za/product-category/constant_temperature/
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depends on what you want to do , why connect it in parallel specifically?
why 26L specifically also, why not go with 2 smaller geysers that work independently instead of 1 large?

also why do you want a gas geyser , maybe we will have the answer that the website wont?
 
isie said:
depends on what you want to do , why connect it in parallel specifically?
why 26L specifically also, why not go with 2 smaller geysers that work independently instead of 1 large?

also why do you want a gas geyser , maybe we will have the answer that the website wont?
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I've figured out a solution that involves one 16L for the bathrooms and a smaller unit for the kitchen. Your information helped, appreciated.

I'm thinking of moving to a tankless system to save on costs. The 150L tank we got up is uncessary but it does store hot water in case of loadshedding so I need my gas units to be able to overcome that obstacle as well. The savings alone just don't appeal enough to me if I can't have hot water during loadshedding.

I plan on converting to prepaid first and then taking things on from there. The tankless systems do require upkeeping though and that would eat into their savings. And support for them is sporadic outside of the big cities it seems.
 
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Mars said:
For the electronics and the pilot light.

AFAIK they draw very little you could put them onto one of those small pc ups's and they should work fine.
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Every gas geyser I’ve ever used lit it’s own pilot light without electricity.

Guess buy a better one that doesn’t need electricity?
 
Gudnews said:
I've figured out a solution that involves one 16L for the bathrooms and a smaller unit for the kitchen. Your information helped, appreciated.
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6L - single tap,low pressure,fine for washing dishes
10L - single tap,higher pressure,low pressure shower/bath
12L - Single shower/bath
16L - Single shower/bath,1 tap
20L - Double shower/bath
 
SauRoNZA said:
Every gas geyser I’ve ever used lit it’s own pilot light without electricity.

Guess buy a better one that doesn’t need electricity?
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How? My parents had a gas 'geyser' in their last house in Jhb that didn't need electricity because it used a pilot light, a proper old school pilot light, that was lit all the time and if it went out you had to light it, using matches or a lighter. Every single modern day gas 'geyser' I have seen and/or used, uses electricity, whether it be a battery or mains supply, not a single one has a pilot.
 
Neuk_ said:
How? My parents had a gas 'geyser' in their last house in Jhb that didn't need electricity because it used a pilot light, a proper old school pilot light, that was lit all the time and if it went out you had to light it, using matches or a lighter. Every single modern day gas 'geyser' I have seen and/or used, uses electricity, whether it be a battery or mains supply, not a single one has a pilot.
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Modern gas geysers have a self firing pilot. You don’t need to light it or keep it lit.

Battery is all good, I’m talking about requiring mains. It seems silly to go looking for UPS’s and other nonsense to circumvent a problem that doesn’t need to exist by simply getting one that self-fires.
 
And besides, IF you combine a standard geyser with a timer that takes into account LS schedules ( pretty easy to do), then the 150L will always be available during LS.

OP is creating a problem that in practice just does not exist.

We heat water ( 200l) for 40 minutes in summer & 60 min in winter, once a day and that lasts us for 3 days at a push if we have an extended power outage. A 2 - hour LS event just does not even feature.
2 adults. but we were 4 adults at one stage. Then the water only lasts one day.
 
Geoff.D said:
And besides, IF you combine a standard geyser with a timer that takes into account LS schedules ( pretty easy to do), then the 150L will always be available during LS.

OP is creating a problem that in practice just does not exist.

We heat water ( 200l) for 40 minutes in summer & 60 min in winter, once a day and that lasts us for 3 days at a push if we have an extended power outage. A 2 - hour LS event just does not even feature.
2 adults. but we were 4 adults at one stage. Then the water only lasts one day.
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Maybe he's prepping for the (real) possibility of extended outages? But sure 2 hours isn't a concern
 
Gudnews said:
I've figured out a solution that involves one 16L for the bathrooms and a smaller unit for the kitchen. Your information helped, appreciated.

I'm thinking of moving to a tankless system to save on costs. The 150L tank we got up is uncessary but it does store hot water in case of loadshedding so I need my gas units to be able to overcome that obstacle as well. The savings alone just don't appeal enough to me if I can't have hot water during loadshedding.

I plan on converting to prepaid first and then taking things on from there. The tankless systems do require upkeeping though and that would eat into their savings. And support for them is sporadic outside of the big cities it seems?
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Good idea to go prepaid,

Any reason you choosing to go gas instead of solar, technically you just moving from paying for Electricity to paying for gas, although when the added brevity of the hot water on demand, lol takes discipline not to sl cool in the warm shower for more then a few minutes
personally i have solar for bathrooms and gas in the kitchen.

Another option (though initially quite expensive) is solar with temperature monitored gas back up. Zero Electricity, less gas usage but always hot water
 
Geoff.D said:
And besides, IF you combine a standard geyser with a timer that takes into account LS schedules ( pretty easy to do), then the 150L will always be available during LS.

OP is creating a problem that in practice just does not exist.

We heat water ( 200l) for 40 minutes in summer & 60 min in winter, once a day and that lasts us for 3 days at a push if we have an extended power outage. A 2 - hour LS event just does not even feature.
2 adults. but we were 4 adults at one stage. Then the water only lasts one day.
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The main issue is saving on costs but I do want to save money and avoid load shedding was well.
 
isie said:
Good idea to go prepaid,

Any reason you choosing to go gas instead of solar, technically you just moving from paying for Electricity to paying for gas, although when the added brevity of the hot water on demand, lol takes discipline not to sl cool in the warm shower for more then a few minutes
personally i have solar for bathrooms and gas in the kitchen.

Another option (though initially quite expensive) is solar with temperature monitored gas back up. Zero Electricity, less gas usage but always hot water
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Going solar is something I haven't seen as a reality (seems complicated but maybe I'm selling it short) and I probably should explore that option further.
 
Neuk_ said:
How? My parents had a gas 'geyser' in their last house in Jhb that didn't need electricity because it used a pilot light, a proper old school pilot light, that was lit all the time and if it went out you had to light it, using matches or a lighter. Every single modern day gas 'geyser' I have seen and/or used, uses electricity, whether it be a battery or mains supply, not a single one has a pilot.
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Good old Junkers.
 
isie said:
you really selling it short, nor is it complicated , but if the set up is not done correctly or you do not have decent controller , its a waste
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I truly was, thanks for the heads up. I'm sold. Let's hope Eskom don't mess things up too badly with their demands.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Modern gas geysers have a self firing pilot. You don’t need to light it or keep it lit.

Battery is all good, I’m talking about requiring mains. It seems silly to go looking for UPS’s and other nonsense to circumvent a problem that doesn’t need to exist by simply getting one that self-fires.
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I have two modern gas geysers, both self fire, both require electricity with the one being mains and the other a battery but I see that you were talking about mains electricity. Admittedly, besides the ratings difference between our two geysers, the one requiring mains electricity is far, far better than the one requiring only a battery but we have an ESS so electricity supply isn't an issue.
 
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