Tankless geysers

SauRoNZA said:
See that’s pretty much the cost of just making my geyser run off solar and never needing to refill anything.

And it’s a large chunk of nearly going fully off grid should I ever want to go there.
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What is your definition of going off grid ? Cause to me that is not a large chunk of going fully off grid.
 
Zuner said:
What is your definition of going off grid ? Cause to me that is not a large chunk of going fully off grid.
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Well if you are going with the cheaper deep cycle type setup it’s a rather large portion.

If you want to go fully Li-ion it’s not so much but it’s still money “lost” to that effort.
 
SauRoNZA said:
You see your gas bill there is pretty much my entire hot water bill for the same period so it’s inconsequential to me and just more work.

And that’s for 4 people.

I’d simply switch it all to solar and retain the conventional electrical geyser and stove if I want to get away from Eskom.

Gas is not the answer for me.
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That gas bill is for all cooking and hot water for 2 people for on average 40 days. I'm currently on day 49 of this particular bottle.
 
Zuner said:
What is your definition of going off grid ? Cause to me that is not a large chunk of going fully off grid.
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Indeed
And equating 1 limited fill ( 150-250L ) electric geyser conversion to 2 Gas geyser installs is laughable,and I got the quotes to convert those to Solar to compare with originally. I feel like he's trolling at this point or trying to sell something

Let me see if I can summarize Sauron's Counters:
* It's too complicated
* I don't want to carry cylinders around
* I don't want to use batteries or electricity for a pilot
* Too much effort to organize cylinder swapouts
* You aren't saving money
* This super-electric guzzling induction cooker's heat control is far superior
* Costs more than Solar
* Might as well go offgrid for nearly the same cost

There's logical arguments for Solar obviously,but I've gone for convenience,running costs and cheaper initial outlay,with a functionally unlimited,or near-unlimited supply of hot water and cooking

BUT MUH ARGEWMENTS
 
Zuner said:
What's the cost of upgrading to a Gas Geyser?
I'm in the process of buying my first home, I will be staying alone, so a geyser wastes a lot of electricity in my household.

The new place already has a gas stove, i figure with gas Geyser and Gas stove i'll bring my electricity bill right down.
I'm looking at long term cost savings.
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If you get good sunlight, there's a definite case for solar over gas. When I started this thread I had overlooked solar because I thought it was too complicated but I've come to learn otherwise. There's savings on offer either way though.
 
PsyWulf said:
Indeed
And equating 1 limited fill ( 150-250L ) electric geyser conversion to 2 Gas geyser installs is laughable,and I got the quotes to convert those to Solar to compare with originally. I feel like he's trolling at this point or trying to sell something

Let me see if I can summarize Sauron's Counters:
* It's too complicated
* I don't want to carry cylinders around
* I don't want to use batteries or electricity for a pilot
* Too much effort to organize cylinder swapouts
* You aren't saving money
* This super-electric guzzling induction cooker's heat control is far superior
* Costs more than Solar
* Might as well go offgrid for nearly the same cost

There's logical arguments for Solar obviously,but I've gone for convenience,running costs and cheaper initial outlay,with a functionally unlimited,or near-unlimited supply of hot water and cooking

BUT MUH ARGEWMENTS
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I didn’t say it doesn’t work for other people.

I simply said it doesn’t make sense for me for the various reasons I listed above.

Just because swopping bottles and allowing access isn’t a massive inconvenience for you, doesn’t change the fact that it remains one for me.

I didn’t even get to the potential safety hazard introduced…

You are also taking most of what I said out of context for hur dur bullshit laughs. I never said anything remotely like you can go off-grid for the same cost.

What I did say was that because I don’t want gas for cooking it’s only application would be the geyser and then for the same money I could rather retrofit that with solar which I never have to worry about again.
 
Grouter said:
That gas bill is for all cooking and hot water for 2 people for on average 40 days. I'm currently on day 49 of this particular bottle.
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Yea I realised that when I posted.

I however have no interest in cooking with gas.

I pull out the trusty old Cadac if I absolutely have to under load shedding, but quite honestly that has happened once. Rest of the time I light the braai or get takeaways.
 
Gudnews said:
If you get good sunlight, there's a definite case for solar over gas. When I started this thread I had overlooked solar because I thought it was too complicated but I've come to learn otherwise. There's savings on offer either way though.
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For me i think hot water on demand works better since i live alone, my waste comes from keeping loads of water hot. I will already have a 19KG for the stove, so next question is can they split the one bottle ?
 
Zuner said:
For me i think hot water on demand works better since i live alone, my waste comes from keeping loads of water hot. I will already have a 19KG for the stove, so next question is can they split the one bottle ?
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I have the two bottles, on changeover, mounted down the side of the house. The gas line goes under the house to a "T" - piece, where it branches one line to the water heater on the outside wall, and the other up through the (wooden) floor to the stove. Luckily I have a crawlspace under the house for such access.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Yea I realised that when I posted.

I however have no interest in cooking with gas.

I pull out the trusty old Cadac if I absolutely have to under load shedding, but quite honestly that has happened once. Rest of the time I light the braai or get takeaways.
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Fair enough. But the wife and I cook every night. We don't braai as much as we'd like, and takeaways are pretty much a pizza, maybe half a dozen times a year. So for us it works well. YMMV of course!
 
I opted to go gas a few years back. I have a gas geyser (Bosch) as well as a gas stove running off a set of bottles with a switchover mounted outside. The geyser requires absolutely zero electricity supply or batteries. The new geysers have a turbine ignition system built into the line which ignites the gas as soon as you open the hot water tap. For me personally it was well worth it as I have hot water on demand as well as a being able to cook / heat food during load shedding.
 
Zuner said:
For me i think hot water on demand works better since i live alone, my waste comes from keeping loads of water hot. I will already have a 19KG for the stove, so next question is can they split the one bottle ?
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Yes,they can split the feed
 
Grouter said:
Fair enough. But the wife and I cook every night. We don't braai as much as we'd like, and takeaways are pretty much a pizza, maybe half a dozen times a year. So for us it works well. YMMV of course!
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Oh yeah same I don’t really braai much at all. Maybe once a month.

I just meant if Load Shedding is at a kak time I’ll make a plan to do that rather than whip out the gas.

With two kids in the house takeaways are often the one thing that makes a kak load shed schedule bearable.

Load Shedding doesn’t affect the geyser at all.
 
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