Telkom’s copper line struggle

Telkom’s copper line struggle

Telkom battles to hold on to its fixed line customers – one of its biggest assets in the South African telecoms market

Perhaps if they concentrate on customer service, they would not have to worry about losing their customers.

I wonder if there are anyone out there that has not experienced very bad service from Telkom?
 
Telkom are not keeping up with the times. They need to glance across the Atlantic to the USA to see how it is done by AT&T, Bell etc. It just does not make sense to have a fixed line in a home in this country anymore. Their line rentals are just far too expensive, and so are their ADSL line rentals. They should be done away with completely. My line to my home was installed 40 years ago.....why am I still paying for it.
 
This is what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you.
 
The biggest of Telkom's enemy is themselves. They take too long to make decisions and when they do they make the wrong decisions. They planned to have quadplay by the launch of 2010 world cup, starting with rolling out FTTx (way back in 2007), and launching Telkom Media at the same time. But, allas, they canned both projects, went and invested heavily in a market they do not understand and now they want to come and reclaim that lost time by competing in SA market by going mobile.

I don't have a problem with mobile, but studies have shown that fighting from 3rd and higher position (4th, 5th etc) is not easy unless you have very deep pockets - ask Cell-C. For telkom to fight from 5th position in the mobile space is not going to be easy, especially if they still rely on the slow anti-customer-centric Telkom shops, they also need to make sure they make money from an efficient, superior fixed-line business - of which currently is not. It's also a shame that Telkom has allowed mobile data speeds to overtake their own - something which is unheard of in any part of the world, including sub-sahara Africa. telkom's decision process is also just too slow, with Telkom it takes 6-9 months to ratify a product launch which is just too, too long.

Anayway, we'll just watch the behemoth die a slow slow death. What we can do?
 
The biggest factor in the decline of the number of fixed lines in the country is cost. In 1998 the cost of making a phone call went up by over 5x the previous price. A massive jump. One that instantly made fixed line communication completely unaffordable to a huge portion of the population. When I asked Telkom about the sudden price increase, they said it was to align their prices with international standards. I remember in 1997 one could spend an hour on the net via dial-up during call-more time and it would cost about R2. Then all of a sudden and without warning that same hour would cost R10+ and has more than steadily increased since then, making it totally unaffordable for myself as student back then. Spending countless hours chatting on the phone also came to and end and I had to switch to prepaid (which was even more expensive) to better control my telephone expenditure just like many other thousands did at the turn of the century. Today people live without fixed lines and rather use alternative forms telephony and internet.
 
Telkom need to get their act together. Telkom was my last choice of ADSL and the only reason why I went for it was because of the Mweb uncapped ADSL option that came out. If the Cell C deal for wireless had come out just before that Telkom would have one less customer.

I think that if people are serious about getting Telkom to change their ways they must boycott 8ta in order for Telkom to lose a lion's share in the market and wake up and start offering service and products that the customers are willing to pay for.
 
Telkom are not keeping up with the times. They need to glance across the Atlantic to the USA to see how it is done by AT&T, Bell etc. It just does not make sense to have a fixed line in a home in this country anymore. Their line rentals are just far too expensive, and so are their ADSL line rentals. They should be done away with completely. My line to my home was installed 40 years ago.....why am I still paying for it.

Totally agree with you! We should be paying less and less for line rentals, to the point where it actually costs nothing. Not more and more. The fact is also that if line rentals costed little enough then they would've had higher subscriber numbers and not so many people would cancel their lines. Also they would've had much more ADSL subscribers. The way to do business in the new abundance economy is to charge customers as little as possible for your services, and then make money from the value added services. Think of Skype for instance, I bet all of us have Skype accounts because its free and many of us never paid Skype a cent. However, they make a boatload of money, so much so that Microsoft bought them for $8bill (weather or not that was a good price is a debate for another day). The fact of the matter is this is a company with a core business model of giving away their service for free, and making money from the add-ons. In the same way Telkom could make line rentals as low as possible - even free (and ADSL rental should definitely be scrapped completely) and then make money from selling add on services.

That is the only way they will turn this downward spiral around.

However, there is no certainty that the company will succeed in an already saturated market which is becoming increasingly difficult to penetrate.
Yes, add to that the fact that Telkom is already one of the most hated un-trusted brands in the country, why would anybody trust them with their mobile phone network..?
 
Lolzzzz - do you guys know what day it is today?

Read-About-Telkom's-Failures Day

Happens every time they announce their financial results. Lolzzzz at all their shareholders...

Funniest part is that it isn't actually funny, since we the South African public suffer the most.
 
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Bring in competition and unbundle the local loop... then you will see how "uneconomical" it really is!!!!

We are fed such BS in this country it's just mind boglingly staggering!!!!!!

:mad:
 
It would be interesting to see ADSL growth figures super-imposed on that graph. I'd wager that ADSL growth and fixed line decline are trending to convergence at some point in the future when the only fixed lines out there are the ones servicing ADSL...
 
Telkom's demise will be due to the folly of most South African companies.

Chinese companies are penetrating markets world wide in their droves because of a lack of the bug that afflicts our companies:
- The 80/20 approach towards profit making.

When firms in South Africa enter the market, when they get hold of it, and as with the Telkom case, when they are loosing hold of it, one constant remains - they do not offer attractive pricing aiming at growing their customer base.

Rather, they prefer to increase their prices in the hope that profits will be yielded. Theoretically, this should work. If prices increase then profits should increase - it is logical. Or is it.

I am sure if you are reading this post your answer is a definate NO.

However, this doesn't seem obvious to companies (monopolies) like Telkom.

The line rental price is a sure deterent - can they not see that? Today, 2GB plus modem and a super fast connection is going for R150/mth. This is the price of Telkom's line rental. Is it difficult to see where the problem is?

Personally, I would actually prefer the fixed line connection option to broadband - but not at the price of the only option that exists in this country. I am sure many other there would agree with me on the benefits of the fixed line option and at the same time would also agree with me that the pricing is a deterant.
 
I won't even go to Telkoms funeral. On second thoughts...maybe I will. Just to make sure they're dead.
 
i just found it amazing that every year they managed to hold on to subscribers that always ended in a thousand... this year end i'm cancelling at 11:58pm so that next year it has to end in 999.
 
No Telkom

We are moving to a new house, but guess what, no Telkom line due to copper theft.

Their Closer plan enable me to talk to my family (all over the country) for very cheap (they mostly have Telkom pre-paid phones for this).

Now, I took out another 2 cellphone contracts (220 minutes in total), combined with my existing one combined with my mother's 2 contracts (all in all have about 450 minutes, or about 7.5 hours A MONTH).

Average time spent on Telkom phone A WEEK is 7 hours @ R170.

Average cost of all cellphone contracts R580.

Clearly for my needs Telkom is far better and less expensive.

BUT they're cables are stolen (and as it is not a very densely populated area they are in no hurry to replace the cables).

Thus, Telkom has already passed-away for my purposes.
 
'nuff said

but...

They blame the decline in fixed line subscribers on everything but the real reason. And this reason can be best be expressed in the following two statements. A: They are a bunch of pirates. B: South Africans are not tietkoppe.
 
Bring in competition and unbundle the local loop... then you will see how "uneconomical" it really is!!!!

We are fed such BS in this country it's just mind boglingly staggering!!!!!!

:mad:

For sure - this non-sense of having to pay R130 for a normal phone line rental on top of the ADSL line rental is daylight robbery - I have never used my land-line for phone calls for the past 4 years since I'm staying in my own place, and have thus "given" telkom R6240 over the past 4 years for nothing! Unbundle the loop - most of it was put in place when Telkom was a government entity anyways - so why should the now privatized company benefit from a last-mile network which is technically not theirs?
 
ADSL users will soar if the local loop is unbundled - more competition!
 
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