Telkom ADSL pricing structure slated

pkid said:
Where do you get this figure from? If I dropped 3 grand on my work phone a month I would get fired. Lol. Go get a job at a big corporate and spend 3 to 5 grand a month on calls and watch how long you last...
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I don't think he meant each person in the company.
Go ask your finance department for your Telkom bill and you will fall on your back at the costs.
We easily do 2 grand per outgoing Telkom line.
Remember you have a contention ratio :whistle: of about 7-12 people per outgoing line depending on the pbx used if not more. If your company have to constantly call clients to get information from them to do their books (ie accountants) it becomes a bit of a high bill.
 
pkid said:
Where do you get this figure from? If I dropped 3 grand on my work phone a month I would get fired. Lol. Go get a job at a big corporate and spend 3 to 5 grand a month on calls and watch how long you last...
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I know the company I work for has internal phone lines and only a few lines going out. I can see how the lines can be R5K per line then.
 
damian24 said:
Bear in mind that Telkom pays for exchanges and DSLAMS (not the install but maintenance and software upgrades, just look at how often the DSLAMS get maintenance)
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Yes, they do pay for it, including the install (whom is going to pay for it otherwise?). Software updates and maintenance are usually part of a SLA (service level agreement) with the provider. Because of strong competition among providers, Telkom would usually be able to get a lot of the services (support/updates/etc) for free on some equipment, depending on how much they buy from that one vendor. In some cases equipment are tested on the live network for months (paying for itself) before Telkom/VC/MTN/CellC decides to actually buy it.

If Telkom is making this loss, how do they manage to still turn a multi billion Rand profit each year?
 
Johan449 said:
I don't think he meant each person in the company.
Go ask your finance department for your Telkom bill and you will fall on your back at the costs.
We easily do 2 grand per outgoing Telkom line.
Remember you have a contention ratio :whistle: of about 7-12 people per outgoing line depending on the pbx used if not more. If your company have to constantly call clients to get information from them to do their books (ie accountants) it becomes a bit of a high bill.
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I worked for a big international, and their Telkom bill would be around R400k per month, just for that one office (+- 500 people).
 
Nod said:
I worked for a big international, and their Telkom bill would be around R400k per month, just for that one office (+- 500 people).
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That would work out at a mere R40 per person per day.
Which is needles to say next to nothing for a business.

Wonder if the poster actually worked at a big company before?

Or maybe he just thought that figure of 5k to be per person?
 
Johan449 said:
I don't think he meant each person in the company.
Go ask your finance department for your Telkom bill and you will fall on your back at the costs.
We easily do 2 grand per outgoing Telkom line.
Remember you have a contention ratio :whistle: of about 7-12 people per outgoing line depending on the pbx used if not more. If your company have to constantly call clients to get information from them to do their books (ie accountants) it becomes a bit of a high bill.
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Aha. Cool. My bad.

Lol. Telkom make so much money. It is like being in the money printing business.
 
Can you really look at the R300 per line cost in isolation though? Does somebody know how much it costs them to provide the IPC connections etc. It would be interesting the have a calculation of the total cost of let's say a 4 mb/s uncapped line from Telkom's side versus how much that line brings in total (incl IPC, line rental etc).
 
Stucke said that a consumer actually pays for three portions and services from Telkom for any ADSL service: the physical copper line, a voice service and a data service. Stucke further pointed out that the true cost of providing a subscriber with a copper line is around R300 per month, well above the retail cost of R131 per line.
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Relating to this comment could someone please correct me if I am wrong but I pay analogue line rental of R131 plus ADSL line rental of R152.... is that not for the same piece of copper? Someone without ADSL is only paying R131 for that. Why? I don't use my line for calls at all.
 
Telkom has ridden on the backs of the taxpayers with it's monopoly forever. Like all parastatals, efficiency was never a consideration, because they never knew or cared how much money they pissed away. Considering they inherited most of their infrastructure paid for by the taxpayer, their main costs are probably maintenance. Considering that is sh..t how do they arrive at the figure. Bulls..t


Prove it mf!
 
Johan449 said:
That would work out at a mere R40 per person per day.
Which is needles to say next to nothing for a business.

Wonder if the poster actually worked at a big company before?

Or maybe he just thought that figure of 5k to be per person?
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Ok, must also say that not all of those 500 people made calls for business purposes. Only about 150 people were making calls as part of their work.
 
R300 a month?

For how long Stucke?

I have been using Telkom for 25 years, he is saying that Telkom need R90 000 over the 25 years to pay for my little portion in the wiring hub and my port on the dslam?
LIES!
 
damian24 said:
I don't think the estimate is totally wrong, think of a typical IT infrastructure where you offer Windows/Exchange and file services to your users, expense your costs to each user... I'm at around R1098 per user per month and that's onsite. Telkom used to have a far greater infrastructure cost at around R1300 to provide a phone line, I'm suprise they managed the infrastructure cost down to R300.

Bear in mind that Telkom pays for exchanges and DSLAMS (not the install but maintenance and software upgrades, just look at how often the DSLAMS get maintenance), employee costs, rental of those properties with the exchanges in, leases for microwave high sites, maintenance costs from lightening strikes and water damage to the copper infrastructure, cable theft, insurance, maintenance on generators and batteries (your analogue phone still workd during load shedding didn't it?) and if you had power your DSL would have worked as well.

We already know that we pay through the nose for everything in this country, it's a little rich to thing that Telkom get's it easy... they rip us a new one at least partly because others do the same to them.

I'm certainly no proponent of Telkom, but they're probably the best of a really bad bunch and I could somewhat believe the maintenance costs (which are largely subsidised by phone calls of big business which typically spend 3 to 5k per provided phone line per month and provide plenty of incoming minutes)

What I would prefer them to do is actually stop cross-subsidising everything and just bill me for the actually cost so I can get the free phone calls (like in the US), but then again, I guess the cell networks would be charging me to receive calls on my cell phone (also ala USA)

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Think about your typical business trying to expense that infrastructure over 3 years versus and organisation that is expensing it over forever. A big number over 36 months is much, much bigger than a big number over an infinite number of months.
 
moggie said:
Were you present at the debate? Do you know in what context he was quoted?
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My comments were based on the article. So should we only comment on this article only if we were present at the debate?
 
I think my broadband should write an article that compares RSA to Japan and what difficulties we have that Japan doesn't and vice versa. I think allot of people are not aware of the challanges Telkom faces and then we just compare them to a country like Japan and Telkom looks really bad. But if we know all the factors of why our broadband is so expensive we might be more understanding about the prices and then we can focus on how to get that cost down.

Because all we do now is blaming, and we don't add anything constructive as anything we put to the table will be an uninformed suggestion.
 
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