heh but thats the way the gov is.. why save the people from telecoms cost by bring in competition when you can keep it closed and be the saviour(while saving your own behind literally in costs) and finally derive income from the people directly. Lets wait and see if they make it market baring price(likely) or cost based as it is being paid for by taxpayers.
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Sure, but how long ago did telscum decide to retrench their competent workforce? telscum is even less qualified to run a voice/data network than my grandma.
telscum has been declining. The only reason they are still around is because of what was there the past 10 years, not what was added. Milk baby, MILK!!!
"Yes, they can fill in the gaps where Telkom has failed to deliver, but you must also understand that telecoms service delivery is not their core competency."
Pilgrim read it as: telecoms service delivery is not Telkom's core competency.
... but then again, who doesn't know that?
*Strange .. I'm still paying the same amount for my services from my JHB municipality even thought they're saving sooo much money.*
But not for long.... may I predict a massive electricity and water rates hike nation-wide before this time next year?
toady
But not for long.... may I predict a massive electricity and water rates hike nation-wide before this time next year?
toady
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Not a hard prediction to make considering that Eskom have already announced increases over the next few (3?) years to cater for upgrades to the nation's electricity supply grid.*Strange .. I'm still paying the same amount for my services from my JHB municipality even thought they're saving sooo much money.*
But not for long.... may I predict a massive electricity and water rates hike nation-wide before this time next year?
toady
I'm happy that municipalities are realising the benefit of cutting Telkom out as far as possible. With the history of problems they've got, something like this can very easily be used as a catalyst to firstly, recover the cost of rolling out their IT network, secondly to use the saved funds to improve current / implement new systems which will address the existing shortcomings (e.g. inaccurate rate estimates, call centre mishandlings, inefficient public office management, slow installations of pre-paid metres for poorer communities, etc.) and over a reasonable period of time (by when) things have improved and stabilised the municipalities can begin to offer the benefits of reduced expenditure directly to the residents themselves. All it takes is vision and planning .... oh an a strong incentive to avoid corruption and incompetency. Fortunately, local government seems to be cut of better cloth than their counterparts in national government
Regarding the deployment of broadband services to residents, it's obvious that the municipalities will not be able to handle this on their own. The logical solution is to outsource such services and free themselves to focus their core functions. GTS / Dimension Data / IS / Verison / Neotel ... any forward thinking company can step in and gain lucrative business with the right plan on offer and ensuring they do not repeat the Telkom-Consumer-Ripping practices that is alienating them out of business. It would be nice if all these so-called trials had some way of enlisting actual residents into the program. I live in the area mentioned in the article and am more than willing to offer my services in any trial for BPL (alternative last mile / non-Telkom solutions) ... whether it's municipal, Neotel or iBurst (if they finally decide to add a base station to resolve the topographic limitation in my community, then again the same applies to Vodacom for 3G/HSPDA) but the question remains: How does one get involved?
Pilgrim
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"Yes, they can fill in the gaps where Telkom has failed to deliver, but you must also understand that telecoms service delivery is not their core competency."
Pilgrim read it as: telecoms service delivery is not Telkom's core competency.
... but then again, who doesn't know that?
What I mean is the person who wrote the article says that telecoms service delivery is not the core competency of a municipality, yet I feel that a municipality (with no competency at all perhaps) is just as competent as telscum.
The point I make is that this author is dissing the municipalities ability to render a service that should be rendered by telscum. I say let the municipality try, they might just do a better job.
RogueTr00per
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Bloodsucker!
Telkom is like a huge tick that has gorged itself on too much blood and cannot move anymore. It's hopefully about to be flicked off it's host.
But not before the flea (aka shareholders), feeding on the tick, jumps away!
At least the tick will one day be gone, but it's still a sad waste of blood for the host
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Doesn't the municipalities rolling out their own infrastructure to save on Telscum bills totally defeat the point of Guavamint having privatised Telscum in the first place? The taxpayer pays twice for infrastructure that accomplishes some of the same objectives. First for Telscum infrastructure and now for the municipalities. Hence me saying such a sad waste of 'blood'.
Telkom is like a huge tick that has gorged itself on too much blood and cannot move anymore. It's hopefully about to be flicked off it's host.
But not before the flea (aka shareholders), feeding on the tick, jumps away!
At least the tick will one day be gone, but it's still a sad waste of blood for the host
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Doesn't the municipalities rolling out their own infrastructure to save on Telscum bills totally defeat the point of Guavamint having privatised Telscum in the first place? The taxpayer pays twice for infrastructure that accomplishes some of the same objectives. First for Telscum infrastructure and now for the municipalities. Hence me saying such a sad waste of 'blood'.
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*Not a hard prediction to make considering that Eskom have already announced increases over the next few (3?) years to cater for upgrades to the nation's electricity supply grid.*
Actually no, I was talking about the fact that just in our small neck of the woods we have in the last six months had repeated and deliberate runoffs. Thousand of litres of water pour down our Crescent or down Jan Smuts and currently (if u will pardon the expression,) a sewer line which empties the water down into the valley out of the residents view. Today our water pressure is almost non-existent so I imagine that somewhere in the neighbourhood water is once again being released. There was apparently a discussion on Port Natal radio this morning on the levels of radiation over Durban yesterday but sadly I missed it. Go Muni! Go Muni!!!!
And the electricity? So much extra lighting has been installed in such a short while in this area that I am amazed. Even Saint Theresa's orphanage have somehow found the means to decorate their establishment with a myriad of lights in different hues and sizes. The upper story lights appear for the most part to be left burning all night.
Someone surely has to pay for all this ... why not the consumer... never mind upgrading the nations electricity supply grid eish..
toady
Actually no, I was talking about the fact that just in our small neck of the woods we have in the last six months had repeated and deliberate runoffs. Thousand of litres of water pour down our Crescent or down Jan Smuts and currently (if u will pardon the expression,) a sewer line which empties the water down into the valley out of the residents view. Today our water pressure is almost non-existent so I imagine that somewhere in the neighbourhood water is once again being released. There was apparently a discussion on Port Natal radio this morning on the levels of radiation over Durban yesterday but sadly I missed it. Go Muni! Go Muni!!!!
And the electricity? So much extra lighting has been installed in such a short while in this area that I am amazed. Even Saint Theresa's orphanage have somehow found the means to decorate their establishment with a myriad of lights in different hues and sizes. The upper story lights appear for the most part to be left burning all night.
Someone surely has to pay for all this ... why not the consumer... never mind upgrading the nations electricity supply grid eish..
toady
Roo!
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So you think this is the answer, hey? Let me play devil's advocate for a moment.
The municipalities can't even supply their residents with satisfactory levels of electricity. How are they ever going to be able to supply them with broadband? Surely when the lights go out (during the extremely frequent power failures in Roodepoort for example) then so does the network?
Sounds like an awesome plan but in this country, with such an incompetent bunch of people running the show, it will never work!
Roo!
The municipalities can't even supply their residents with satisfactory levels of electricity. How are they ever going to be able to supply them with broadband? Surely when the lights go out (during the extremely frequent power failures in Roodepoort for example) then so does the network?
Sounds like an awesome plan but in this country, with such an incompetent bunch of people running the show, it will never work!
Roo!
AirWolf
Honorary Master
Telkom is like a huge tick that has gorged itself on too much blood and cannot move anymore. It's hopefully about to be flicked off it's host.
But not before the flea (aka shareholders), feeding on the tick, jumps away!
At least the tick will one day be gone, but it's still a sad waste of blood for the host
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Doesn't the municipalities rolling out their own infrastructure to save on Telscum bills totally defeat the point of Guavamint having privatised Telscum in the first place? The taxpayer pays twice for infrastructure that accomplishes some of the same objectives. First for Telscum infrastructure and now for the municipalities. Hence me saying such a sad waste of 'blood'.
Excellent point. The government is possibly just creating Telko no2.
I agree. The government is on shaky ground in some parts of the country when it come to their own services so how they are going to manage supplying broadband as well?
I noticed that the municipalities spoke about the saving per year on data services but gave no comment on the cost of the infrastructure. This is a double edged sword. The cost saving is not passed onto the local community and the annual rates / water / electricity price hike will be seemingly justified by "infrastructure cost"
The mythical knight in shining armour could turn out to be just a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Well look at the DPEs broadband plan (to lazy to post the link that thread) which looks like quite a sneaky way to link the muncipalities up. I don't have a problem with municipalities being involved in the scheme of providing internet access, particularly if the licence up under the ECA and re-invest the savings made off it into IT infrustructure. It would actually be quite nice if you can depend on getting a single account covering lights water and basic internet access, although its a bit of a problem if they get preference over private industry.