Telkom defends ADSL usage based billing system

If Telkom and SAIX and TelkomInternet are differnet companies, why are the SAIX Capping changes being published by telkom.... cant SAIX speak for themselves?
 
rsd said:
NO NO NO

I wish people wouldn't buy Telkom's bull. The only "abuse" is stuff like phishing and spamming. Downloading lots and lots of ... linux isos... is not abuse.

Piracy is another story altogether. Telkom is not imposing a cap to prevent software piracy!

Anyway, Welcom to MyADSL. I agree with you that pricing is the biggest issue, but people need to realise that abuse is not doing 50GB per month - that should be perfectly acceptable DSL usage. Abuse should be doing 500GB per month.
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So do you want to tell me you download lots of Linux stuff every month. mmmmm... I wonder how many months does it take for a new Service Pack or new version of software to come out and you can write that on a CD. I think it is all about downloading the Illegal stuff - Smallville, Games, maybe MS Windows. I will never ever believe in Telkom's bull****. If there was a other communication company I would go for there services.

Surf on;)
 
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When white opens his mouth I want to cringe because I can almost feel the BS flowing out before he says a word!

One thing that was interesting was how it was mentioned that everytime they drop prices ADSL user numbers increase... So when are they going to wake up an realise its exactly what most people here have been saying last time when White opened his mouth stealing the economy of scales arguments used here on MYADSL.

Do they not realise now that by dropping their prices they can make their money back quicker.

I do agree with them that the per gig billing has advantages BUT (please dont leave this part out when you suddenly say MYADSL users agree with you telkom) At the current pricing per gig, all the advantages become useless!
 
There key issue here is the the per GB cost that SAIX are charging. Because SAIX is part of Telkom the money Telkom Internet charges is essentially pretend money. The cost to Telkom's bottom line is the price of running the SAIX network. This means that while each ISP is makeing (lets say) R20/GB, Telkom (not Telkom Internet) is making (lets say) R60/GB because the real cost to the company is the difference between SAIX providing the service and what the customer is charged.
This means that no independant ISP will ever be able to compete with Telkom Internet, because even if it makes a loss, the use of the SAIX network means that Telkom is still makeing a net profit from the users.

While there will be no pleasing some people the only solution is a properly implemented pay-per-use model. We should be billed at the end of the month for the bandwidth we use, or at least be offered that choice. And the cost per GB should come down dramatically.

We also need transparency on the cost of runninng the SAIX network. What is the real cost to Telkom of provisioning an ADSL user. Telkom need to disclose this before we can make any inroads into discussing what is a fair and equitable price.
 
He suggested that a more suitable product is their unshaped service which is tailor-made for P2P applications, gaming and related activities.
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In other words, you have to pay double for normal internet services, but you can still pay stupid amounts of money for telkoms degraded service.

Various issues were raised by the journalists about the unfair advantage of TelkomInternet over other ISP’s selling ADSL products. Telkom denied these allegations, stating that it will be uncompetitive and against regulation.
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Telkom lying again *sigh* its like they never stop. Every sentance seems to be a miss quote or a lie. A press report from them, is like watching a state run media report about Mugabe in Zimbabwe.
 
So do you want to tell me you download lots of Linux stuff every month.
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I actually seldom exceed 10 gigs a month, but now and then I do want to do some large downloads as well as listen to web radio and do some gaming etc. I just don't like the feeling of "I wonder if I should download/listen to/watch/click on [some bandwidth intensive thing], or if it'll push me past my cap".

I'm glad you don't believe Telkom's bull :D
 
According to Steven White, Telkom’s executive for product development, 4% of the subscribers are using around 50% of the network’s capacity. To ensure that the 96% receive a good quality ADSL service capping is essential.

White added that this new billing system would better accommodate the 96% of ADSL subscribers who use on average 1.4 Gigabytes per month.
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Okay, let's break this down.

Telkom is quite happy for all their users to utilize 3GB of data (that is the cap that they set). So Telkom then is prepared to supply 300GB for every 100 subscribers.

However, 96 of those customers only average 1.4GB each (i.e. 134.4GB for all 96 subscribers). This then leaves 165.6GB of capacity available for the "abuser" 4 users. In order for them to bring the average usage up to 3GB, these 4 users would have to utilize an average of 41.4GB EACH. While this is not inconceivable, I very much doubt that this is the case.

So, my question to Steve White is as follows: If these figures are correct, what justification can there be for a 3GB cap? If the cap was set at 30GB, the 4% of "abusers" would still not impact on total volume of data.
 
Unshaped is only better for international gaming you twat. Local gaming is perfect on shaped accounts but it needs lots of bandwidth not "unshaped" protocols.
 
I am still wondering how a mere 4000 users can significantly impact the SAIX network capacity to the degree that capping is necessary. Either they are lying or their network must be totally inadequate for broadband usage. According to Telkom's logic then, at the current uptake of 4000 new users per week they will be gaining at least 640 potential new "abusers" per month, 6 and quarter months from now 8000 "abusers" will bring the ADSL infrastructure to a dead halt as they will suck up the other 50% of the network capacity.
 
This entire telkom strategy is elitist and will further contribute to the digital divide or technology gap.

For those with bucks - it matters not what telkom do - they can afford it.

Unfortunately for the people on the ground their diet remains rice and potatoes while the elite
(floating in the sky?) dine lavishly on caviar -
makes me think of some philosophies earlier this century - worrying.
 
*rant*

If anyone at Telkom ever calls me an ABUSER to my face because I require more bandwidth than the average user in South Africa, I will deck them.
What an insult!! A thief calling a user an abuser!!

Here’s an idea Telkom. If your billing structure was more inline with overseas countries it would be affordable to buy the extra bandwidth, not inflated like it is now.

I also don’t want to end up in a position where one month I can do 30 gigs and the next month you cap me at 3.1gigs, who made you GOD, hence I am quite prepared to pay for all my bandwidth requirements upfront and in full so that as a customer, I know what I can expect, there’s a thing hey.
I am however not prepared to be subjected to your exorbitant rates for that bandwidth.

Lets also clear up another area, what is all this shaped crap?
Lets talk bandwidth here, not your excuse for it that you are marketing to the South African public.
Shaped - Unshaped at these prices, madness.
You should be taken outside and shot in every joint and then made to eat your own intestines before you die of pain or blood loss, if the food poisoning doesnt get to you first.

*rant over*

Feeling better now:)
 
Some one explain to me... please!!!...
While the rest of the world doubles its DSL cap every year, we here in SA have the same cap since the introduction of ADSL in the country. On top of that, Telkom is trying to convince us that it is good.
 
klever telkominternet as opposed to telkom

My service provider is telkomadsl, the service provider. they seem to have stolen a march on other service providers with their superior bandwidth management protocol.
BTW the technology for delivering movies to home computers is just not here yet. Capping is required till the codecs are fixed up.
Tho, just to prove Im not an ultimate telkom fan, I am told Afrikaans guys listen to the Afrikaans radio from SABC in London, 24/7, over internet. Id like to know if I listen to BBC in SA, would this chow sufficient B width to be called abuse. A 128 KB stream will use 58 mb an hour. 24/7 this means 42 gb a month. I think the port shaping protocols might need adjustment. We will see! BTW is my calculation even remotely correct?
 
evil_bender said:
Some one explain to me... please!!!...
While the rest of the world doubles its DSL cap every year, we here in SA have the same cap since the introduction of ADSL in the country. On top of that, Telkom is trying to convince us that it is good.
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Government Greed :mad:
 
Windmill said:
My service provider is telkomadsl, the service provider. they seem to have stolen a march on other service providers with their superior bandwidth management protocol.
BTW the technology for delivering movies to home computers is just not here yet. Capping is required till the codecs are fixed up.
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Are you drunk? Superior? In what way? There is no risk for Telkom as they are purchasing bandwidth FROM THEMSELVES, the other ISPs are unable to compete as they have so little control over BW costs.

And the technology for delivering movies to home computers is ready and has been for a while. Try googling "triple play" and "IPTV" before spouting such cr@p.
 
bekdik said:
@arf

You left out stupid and a telkom troll
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@bekdik: I'm having a k@k day at work today, so reading drivel like that just really p!ssed me off. I'm not sure if he's a telkom troll or just on drugs.
 
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