Telkom pilot project to shut down several ADSL exchanges

You're dreaming, boet! :D

This would be the perfect test-case to offer uncapped LTE in this area, that is the only way I see them retaining broad-band customers in these decommissioned areas.

Personally, I would ditch my ADSL and take on an uncapped LTE service in a heart-beat if I was in those residents position.
 
I am surprised that competitors have not taken Telkom to the competition commission. Removing ADSL exchanges will pretty much monopolise Telkom's offering in that area without any other option (except mobile data through SPs). If I was Telkom, I would actually do the same since the majority of ADSL/VDSL users are actually only using Telkom for the access to the line.

So it is a quick win to shut down exchanges and move users over to 3G/LTE and immediately profit from this. There is hardly any other option. If this was happening in my area, I would challenge Telkom for anti-competitive behaviour. Just a pity that neither ISPA, ICASA or any other consumer body will do anything about it.

This ^^^

They can't do that. They can maybe make the backbone LTE but they should still serve it as ADSL i.e. LTE is used to connect to the exchange instead of copper. That way it won't impact other ISPs or the customers using the service.

What kind of costs are involved for running an exchange? Power, A/C and maintenance?
 
As a gamer I'd be pissed as **** with this if it happened to me. Been with wireless, didn't work well, which is why I switched to ADSL in the first place.

There should be a law regulating this kind of practice, and enforcing them to make ADSL available to more people, not less.

Same for fibre, but I sense THAT would be a pointless exercise.
 
As a gamer I'd be pissed as **** with this if it happened to me. Been with wireless, didn't work well, which is why I switched to ADSL in the first place.

There should be a law regulating this kind of practice, and enforcing them to make ADSL available to more people, not less.

Same for fibre, but I sense THAT would be a pointless exercise.
The joys of competition... what prevents another telco from coming in and taking over the last mile and providing services over that copper?
 
This would be the notice I mentioned in another thread:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/804493-Randfontein-ADSL-discontinued

A technician actually showed up at our door and wanted to make the switchover to the wireless service, but he thought we only had the line for phone calls and had no idea what do do with ADSL. Went back and we haven't heard anything since.

This should be considered a freaking crime considering Randfontein was supposedly the suburb with the fastest internet speed in SA in 2013:
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...n-has-fastest-broadband-speed-in-South-Africa
(Not that I ever thought of it as such, think some technicians just ran lots of speed tests at the exchange)

Currently as it stands, I've decided to resist the changeover for as long as the ADSL is still working. Once it goes down, I'll be cancelling the Telkom line completely and switching to a different 3G/LTE data provider.

Currently the only (financially) viable alternatives for large amounts of data(seriously, just web browsing and lots of YouTube) seem to be:
Cell C SmartData 50/100GB Topup deals for R699/999pm (both seem to include 50/100GB Anytime as well as the same amount nightly data). No idea how good their network quality is though. (There is a Vodacom tower almost directly next door if CellC is still piggybacking on their network).
Telkom SmartInternet Unlimited(If they can give it in the area) R899pm 100GB Fair Use policy and about 4Mbps ?capped? speed (something really fishy about this since their 100GB capped is over 3 times more expensive)

Edit: mobiletorque WISP also seems to be covering the area, but will need to contact them to confirm availability/pricing, etc.
 
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I am surprised that competitors have not taken Telkom to the competition commission. Removing ADSL exchanges will pretty much monopolise Telkom's offering in that area without any other option (except mobile data through SPs). If I was Telkom, I would actually do the same since the majority of ADSL/VDSL users are actually only using Telkom for the access to the line.

So it is a quick win to shut down exchanges and move users over to 3G/LTE and immediately profit from this. There is hardly any other option. If this was happening in my area, I would challenge Telkom for anti-competitive behaviour. Just a pity that neither ISPA, ICASA or any other consumer body will do anything about it.

Telkom competitors are free to negotiate and buy the exchange from TELKOM if they wish to
 
The joys of competition... what prevents another telco from coming in and taking over the last mile and providing services over that copper?

You are kidding right? I just look at my suburb (Broadacres) - in our street alone with have 3 estates with 200 houses each. DFA has fibre terminating at a manhole in spitting distance from our estate and yet none of the fibre providers (contacted Vumatel, Greencom and others) have any interest in running fibre despite having 70% person uptake. Money is actually not even an issue, as some (explicit removed) in my estate are currently using 3G with top-up (despite us having 20mbps VDSL access at the moment).

So short of me cabling up my house with fibre and then begging FTTH providers to light it up, I don't think it will happen. If you look at the FTTH case where competitors could not even be bothered when spoon-fed, I doubt that anyone is interesting in offering alternative services in those ADSL exchange affected areas.

Agree with me: South African businesses are generally lazy (with a few exceptions) - this happens not just in telco, but in most other professional service areas as well.

Who knows, perhaps Telkom's wireless service provides better consistent service (I doubt it will be able to compete with a 10mbps ADSL or VDSL when it comes to latency) and I am sure that there is somewhere a piece of legislation (CPA, ICASA, ECT etc) which prohibits a supplier from replacing a service with lower value proposition (even if they charge less/nothing). It's like offering an all-you-can-eat-meat-buffet to a scrawny vegan.
 
Why? If you have a network operator's licence you can buy out that exchange from Telkom. Telkom does not have a licence for exclusive ADSL rights.

Surely it would be cheaper than to just build a fibre backbone instead? This is when then the FTTH-provider complacency / spoon-feeding starts (see my previous post)
 
I am surprised that competitors have not taken Telkom to the competition commission. Removing ADSL exchanges will pretty much monopolise Telkom's offering in that area without any other option (except mobile data through SPs). If I was Telkom, I would actually do the same since the majority of ADSL/VDSL users are actually only using Telkom for the access to the line.

So it is a quick win to shut down exchanges and move users over to 3G/LTE and immediately profit from this. There is hardly any other option. If this was happening in my area, I would challenge Telkom for anti-competitive behaviour. Just a pity that neither ISPA, ICASA or any other consumer body will do anything about it.
Actually it isn't surprising at all and reflects the real problem here. There is really no reason beyond cost factors why an iECNS licence holder hasn't rolled out massive infrastructure to form a national network. Telkom's retail endeavours have generally been a failure but never underestimate how critical Telkom is to the overall ecosystem and how heavily they fall to bizarre and paralysing scrutiny due to the greed and incompetence of certain market participants.

Certain iECNS licence holders have invested considerably in a broader ecosystem and have laid out considerable fibre resources for the business community and so on (think about JINX by way of example), but in the main it has only been the MNOs and Telkom that have really gone the route of building a full national network from access point in the last mile. There are a few providers that provide alternate last mile access but not of a national reach and invariably these providers either depend on Telkom or on those iECNS licence holders who have invested in the broader ecosystem. The MNOs do not benefit from the highly competitive landscape that exists in the ADSL space and while there is some dabbling from WISPs and the like (and recently the arising of some FTTH players) it really is a case that outside of fibre of DSL there isn't competitive forces at play. The result is good for the guys in Telkom who are in retail (but not for the company as a whole) and really good for the MNOs but bad for SA and the ecosystem.

What really happens here is that by Telkom rendering DSL - which really is the only national reach, continuous connectivity, tolerable price wholesale service - unavailable what Telkom are doing is giving the MNOs (including themself) an opportunity to cannabilise further against the non-MNO players. Considering who Telkoms more well stocked competitors are there is no surprise that there aren't complaints.

Also remember Telkom generate revenue from the DSL service offerings in two streams - the charge for the DSL circuit and analogue voice line (which doesn't equal the cost installing and maintaining circuits and MSAN infrastructure) and the IPConnect product offering (which is the biggest cost component to any ISP in the DSL space - at one stage Telkom Internet was straddled with paying for the mistakes of earlier Telkom executives through excessive international connectivity costs but I suspect that has passed by now). So if a particular exchange has high volume data customers it certainly won't be in the bottom 287 and I believe many of the Top 403 exchanges are in "rural" areas. Voice revenues have been diminishing for years and my pub engineering maths tells me that an exchange with 200 odd subscribers on 4Mbps uncapped connectivity would make an exchange viable absent other factors such as copper theft. In this particular instances Randfontein isn't making sense and I wonder if there isn't another big factor at play - one of the mining operations shutting down, Sentech doing something funky in the area, Telkom having installed considerable LTE resources (which would be anticompetitive until Telkom make an open access model available for LTE services). So lets take the idea of Telkom shutting down ADSL in the knowledge that their only customer attrition is to the other MNOs. Telkom spends a considerable amount of money on their roaming agreement with MTN so even on that front the wins of moderate data usage over 3G or LTE or smaller than the wins to Telkom on FTTH

Telkom have a considerable "copper mine" of infrastructure that takes the form of hundreds of facilities that can be leased, but ICASA persist in failing to enforce the facilities leasing regulations. Moreover Neotel have already secured a ruling from the CCC of ICASA on it being wrongful for Telkom not to provide access to the facilities which were within the LLU space to Neotel. Sadly the CCC also ruled that because ICASA were at the time promulgating LLU regulations that no imposed penalty was lobbed onto Telkom - this was a few years ago.

The reality is that Telkom cannot capitalize these assets to the sorts of valuation that they have been given (in some instances the install cost far exceeds the value but in others you had Telkom grossly over-valuing their asset base by using monopoly profit projections). I have at least twice witnessed Telkom earnestly say "we will gladly lease out underperforming exchanges" and back in early 2014 there was supposed to be a task team devised under ICASAs ageis that would have involved CellC trialing out taking over a Telkom exchange. Sadly nothing emerged of it and to this day I have no idea why that is - no tech publication bothered to follow up. However in order to capitalize Telkom need to have buy in from other ECNS players and thus far this hasn't happened. Telkom have for a few years had a facilities leasing policy relating to their exchange buildings (many of which have more space now because of tech changes causing Telkom equipment to occupy less space) but the uptake has been negligible.

Dealing with Telkom is a ballache for anybody and there is so much wrong within the company, but the failure of other deep pocketed entities to transform things positively is an indictment on those firms and peddling the FUD that some executives have been spewing rather than interogating issues and digging past the culture of corporate stupidity at Telkom is a massive part of the reason SAs Internet landscape remains backwards.

I obviously cannot speak for ISPA or ICASA - or for that matter the tech press who proclaim to have consumer interests at heart - but it isn't entirely the case that there aren't enterprises in the market who aren't challenging Telkom to embrace competitiveness and who aren't in small incremental steps pushing the dominant enterprises in the various chains that make up the market towards being accountable for anti-competitive behaviour by making it more viable to behave competitively than anti-competitively.


What is needed though is the tech press to actually do their job, the continuous publishing of sensationalist click bait bull**** articles which solicit comment from a limited number of "usual gang" players in the industry that resonate the same tired message of "prices are too high" needs to stop. Take a look at how often the same narratives are echoed and how infrequently comment is sourced from enterprises that are actually making a difference.
The reality though is a quick glance at MyBB will show you why the battle is right now pretty much lost, but in time alternative places of discussion may arise.


Returning to the idea of LTE as being soley for the MNOs: the reality that a wholsale national LTE network that is open to ECS player is pivotal to the future of the Internet in South Africa has long been known and understood - and was argued to ICASA during Vodacom's now collapsed attempts to acquire Neotel and are included in dozen volume record of proceedings.Sadly the appetite for competition is one which the MNOs still need to acquire.
However on it being established -and there are processes under way to lay the paper trail - that no operator operating a national LTE network are prepared to provide a capacity access network to ECS licence holders on a wholesale basis ... well lets just say watch this space (well watch those spaces that would actually bother to report on real developments in the industry rather than publishing click bait) ;)
 
Fibre isn't the answer to phasing out Telkom. For many, including me, Telkom ADSL is the only available broadband option. While it might not be the best at times, it does what I expect it to do, so I'm happy with it.

If someone was willing to throw fibre at my direction, I'd be more than happy to go for it, but most people out there don't care about fibre. They just want an Internet connection, nothing more. If it allows them to send emails, they are happy.
If this happens lots of areas will have no access to a landline. So it's either 3G/4G or getting in a fibre provider.

Surely it would be cheaper than to just build a fibre backbone instead? This is when then the FTTH-provider complacency / spoon-feeding starts (see my previous post)
So far Telkom has never indicated a willingness to lease or sell any exchanges.
 
So far Telkom has never indicated a willingness to lease or sell any exchanges.

Not true

On at least 3 public occassions Telkom has indicated this clearly ...

O and unless you are alleging that Telkom officials are committing purjury ...
 
So far Telkom has never indicated a willingness to lease or sell any exchanges.

Not true

On at least 3 public occassions Telkom has indicated this clearly ...

O and unless you are alleging that Telkom officials are committing purjury ...
 
Surely it would be cheaper than to just build a fibre backbone instead? This is when then the FTTH-provider complacency / spoon-feeding starts (see my previous post)

In high revenue areas, of course it will be viable to do so... but that is not what is under discussion here. These are the bottom 300 exchanges and I can guarantee you that no telco will be providing FTTH in those areas for a very long time to come.
 
You are kidding right? I just look at my suburb (Broadacres) - in our street alone with have 3 estates with 200 houses each. DFA has fibre terminating at a manhole in spitting distance from our estate and yet none of the fibre providers (contacted Vumatel, Greencom and others) have any interest in running fibre despite having 70% person uptake. Money is actually not even an issue, as some (explicit removed) in my estate are currently using 3G with top-up (despite us having 20mbps VDSL access at the moment).

So short of me cabling up my house with fibre and then begging FTTH providers to light it up, I don't think it will happen. If you look at the FTTH case where competitors could not even be bothered when spoon-fed, I doubt that anyone is interesting in offering alternative services in those ADSL exchange affected areas.

Agree with me: South African businesses are generally lazy (with a few exceptions) - this happens not just in telco, but in most other professional service areas as well.

Who knows, perhaps Telkom's wireless service provides better consistent service (I doubt it will be able to compete with a 10mbps ADSL or VDSL when it comes to latency) and I am sure that there is somewhere a piece of legislation (CPA, ICASA, ECT etc) which prohibits a supplier from replacing a service with lower value proposition (even if they charge less/nothing). It's like offering an all-you-can-eat-meat-buffet to a scrawny vegan.

You are actually strengthening my point... what is preventing the other telcos from providing you with a service? Not Telkom....
 
In high revenue areas, of course it will be viable to do so... but that is not what is under discussion here. These are the bottom 300 exchanges and I can guarantee you that no telco will be providing FTTH in those areas for a very long time to come.
Never say never ;)

although when it comes to traditional telecos it might be safe to say never because telecos are dinosaurs and unable to survive in an Internet era.
 
Never say never ;)

although when it comes to traditional telecos it might be safe to say never because telecos are dinosaurs and unable to survive in an Internet era.
Let me clarify... In those 300 exchange areas it will be a very long time before the exchange is converted to a total FTTH / FTTB solution. There will have to be a mix of technologies, including wireless services.
 
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