Telkom staff cuts expected

SinghDude said:
Just OT, why cant the staff claim UIF if they are retrenched ?
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Maybe you missed this bit:
According to information from a union involved in the negotiations, Telkom staff members who take the latest packages will be deemed as being retrenched, and will hence be eligible to claim unemployment benefits.
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See, this (again) shows you where we're headed. non-manager's are asked to leave (voluntarily). So how do you run a company with only managers? Managers are supposed to...well... MANAGE people. Are they going to suddenly require their managers to go install a line at someone's residence? Or fix a copper cable theft?

If Telkom had any common sense they'd actually HIRE skilled people and FIRE managers. Too many chiefs no indians...

It may have taken 10+ years, but Telkom is bleeding money and dying a slow painful death. They're trying the same tactics that got them their quarterly profit boost for the shareholders to be happy. It won't work this time. And we're getting closer and closer to actual freedom from their monopoly. If they (again) had any common sense, they'd get more people, deliver a better service and ensure UPTAKE by dropping their prices.

South Africa is the ideal location for call centers. Government is so narrowminded and set on creating jobs by forcing the private sector into, what I call, a communist type-deal where free trade isn't welcome anymore, yet they ignore the most simplest thing THEY HAVE CONTROL over. Telkom. Hire more people. Get landlines (not just rural ****) in there. Offer the cheap services and you'll find A LOT of company's willing to move their call centers here. We actually gave India the edge by not doing this 10 years ago.

But anyway. "Eish, I need to go corrupt some more money out of this tax payer. My new BWM is 6 months old and there's a new model I want to buy"
 
You have to be a special kind of useless to need retrenchments when you have a high cost monopoly.
 
AcidRaZor said:
See, this (again) shows you where we're headed. non-manager's are asked to leave (voluntarily). So how do you run a company with only managers? Managers are supposed to...well... MANAGE people. Are they going to suddenly require their managers to go install a line at someone's residence? Or fix a copper cable theft?

If Telkom had any common sense they'd actually HIRE skilled people and FIRE managers. Too many chiefs no indians...

It may have taken 10+ years, but Telkom is bleeding money and dying a slow painful death. They're trying the same tactics that got them their quarterly profit boost for the shareholders to be happy. It won't work this time. And we're getting closer and closer to actual freedom from their monopoly. If they (again) had any common sense, they'd get more people, deliver a better service and ensure UPTAKE by dropping their prices.

South Africa is the ideal location for call centers. Government is so narrowminded and set on creating jobs by forcing the private sector into, what I call, a communist type-deal where free trade isn't welcome anymore, yet they ignore the most simplest thing THEY HAVE CONTROL over. Telkom. Hire more people. Get landlines (not just rural ****) in there. Offer the cheap services and you'll find A LOT of company's willing to move their call centers here. We actually gave India the edge by not doing this 10 years ago.

But anyway. "Eish, I need to go corrupt some more money out of this tax payer. My new BWM is 6 months old and there's a new model I want to buy"
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Very true!

But it has been said time & time again that Telkom's top structure is top heavy, while not enough engineers to do the job.

"too many chiefs and no indians"
 
MickeyD said:
You have it the wrong way around. If you are retrenched you can claim UIF. If leave leave voluntarily you cannot claim UIF as it is seen as a resignation.
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I understand that, hence the article suggests that those that are retrenched wont be able to claim. Im sure that meant that if they resign , then obviously they wont qualify for any UIF.


Also , abit OT..... when one retires and goes on pension, can one still claim UIF ?
 
AcidRaZor said:
See, this (again) shows you where we're headed. non-manager's are asked to leave (voluntarily). So how do you run a company with only managers? Managers are supposed to...well... MANAGE people. Are they going to suddenly require their managers to go install a line at someone's residence? Or fix a copper cable theft?

If Telkom had any common sense they'd actually HIRE skilled people and FIRE managers. Too many chiefs no indians...
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You missed this part...
According to a source close to the unions, Telkom is likely to target management staff next, where levels will be determined by the number of non-management staff members who take the voluntary packages.
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AFAIK the other issue is that they have surplus staff in the wrong areas of their business and need to either re-skill them or retrench them. If a person (stupidly) does not want to be re-skilled then there is no other option...
 
Shayd said:
You have to be a special kind of useless to need retrenchments when you have a high cost monopoly.
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Agreed. Like another poster said, they usually let the skilled people that they actually need go, and keep the useless ****s that screw everything up, around. Same as the government in general, make everyone managers, and get rid of the people who actually know wtf they're doing.

Then, a few months or years later, they realise they actually need those people and have to contract them in as consultants, at a much higher cost than if they were in-house. Brilliant.
 
kingrob said:
Very true!

But it has been said time & time again that Telkom's top structure is top heavy, while not enough engineers to do the job.

"too many chiefs and no indians"
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Unfortunately that is how most corporate hiearchies work. Support and operational staff are seen as the biggest expense yet they often are the one's with the skill. Fire a few GM's and SM's.... and you will immediately save.
 
TJ99 said:
Agreed. Like another poster said, they usually let the skilled people that they actually need go, and keep the useless ****s that screw everything up, around. Same as the government in general, make everyone managers, and get rid of the people who actually know wtf they're doing.

Then, a few months or years later, they realise they actually need those people and have to contract them in as consultants, at a much higher cost than if they were in-house. Brilliant.
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100% correct.
 
grimd5 said:
was being Sarcastic:wtf:
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Nope. The people who know what they are doing leave. Most of them know that they can either start their own business or are employable somewhere else.

If you prefer doing as little as possible why would you move if you are happy where you are?
 
Lets just hope Telkom doesn't seize before the LL get unbundled. I'd hate to sit without telephones/adsl for weeks while government scratches their heads about the issue.
 
ChilliGirl said:
Nope. The people who know what they are doing leave. Most of them know that they can either start their own business or are employable somewhere else.

If you prefer doing as little as possible why would you move if you are happy where you are?
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150% correct.

It's always the useless lot that stay behind, cos they know that they won't be able to make it outside.
 
kingrob said:
150% correct.

It's always the useless lot that stay behind, cos they know that they won't be able to make it outside.
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& the best way to get an annual increase is to strike & toi toi.
 
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