The Anni Dewani Murder Case

Lycanthrope said:
I agree. If you can't let go then such things (and those people) most definitely hold power over you. Forgiveness, however, doesn't factor into it. As I see it, forgiveness is something you grant someone who made a mistake, someone who did something unintentionally, not someone who brutally murders another person in cold blood. That was intentional, it was not an accident, it was not a mistake and it cannot be forgiven.

I still maintain, you can excuse it but in doing so you basically say, "So what"? It happened." and that, in my eyes, is more a mix of apathy and helplessness dressed up as forgiveness than anything else.

I can't make sense of "forgiving" people who do something like that with barbaric intent. As I said, that isn't forgiveness. Not the way I understand the meaning of the word. My mind keeps hammering on the fact that someone does something deliberately wrong and you let them off because of your own misgivings to somehow make yourself feel better. It wasn't an accident, it was brutal murder. There is a price to pay for that and they got off pretty much scot-free. It's sickening.
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I think forgiveness has different meanings for different people.

There are people who hurt us and will never ask for forgiveness, e.g. a random criminal. That person you may never meet again and he has no intention to ask your forgiveness. In this sense, what I mean by forgiveness is that we should let our feelings of anger, hatred, vengefulness and general negativity towards that person go. You will never get his apology and you will spend the rest of your life contaminating your own soul with the darkness of hatred.
 
when did this woman become British, according to online papers she was Swedish national of Ugandan-Asian descent?
 
blunomore said:
I think forgiveness has different meanings for different people.

There are people who hurt us and will never ask for forgiveness, e.g. a random criminal. That person you may never meet again and he has no intention to ask your forgiveness. In this sense, what I mean by forgiveness is that we should let our feelings of anger, hatred, vengefulness and general negativity towards that person go. You will never get his apology and you will spend the rest of your life contaminating your own soul with the darkness of hatred.
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*nod* I can agree with that. I still maintain that someone who commits a crime with absolute intent should serve the full sentence for their crime. "Forgiveness" can and should wait until after. I suppose the parents did the best they could with the situation they were dealt, but I still see it as them excusing what those men did to their child--no different to the country excusing a crime because of political motivations. Murder is murder.

Let go, yes. Excuse it? Horrible.
 
So some dinner table conversation elicited the following thought:

What is the possibility that the couple were looking for drugs?
 
Alan said:
Perhaps they were on drugs already. Why else go where they went :erm:
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Out of ignorance or, and you'll like this part, good news reporting from the World Cup. I was also pretty shocked to see FIFA encouraging people to go into a township and find a random shebeen for your night out. That's insane.. Mzoli's is one of the few places you should actually be going to though.

You'd think criminals would actually try not to target tourists, it's a sure-fire way to get yourself caught. The police will do everything they can to find these guys now. It sounds like they will get them soon, compared to if they had robbed some Gugs resident in which case pretty much nothing would have happened or been reported.
 
Alan said:
Perhaps they were on drugs already. Why else go where they went :erm:
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The husband is apparently the owner of a string of nursing homes (clinics) in the UK. If he wanted drugs...
Somehow I don't think Ugandan-Asians with Swedish nationality, British citizenship, bags of moola and other global trappings, are the type to go looking for tik in dark places.
 
ozoned said:
The husband is apparently the owner of a string of nursing homes (clinics) in the UK. If he wanted drugs...
Somehow I don't think Ugandan-Asians with Swedish nationality, British citizenship, bags of moola and other global trappings, are the type to go looking for tik in dark places.
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And it's a bad place to look for drugs, obviously very unsafe and just worse drugs than you'd find in the CBD where they're made for rich party goers. No tourists want tik or heroin/unga.
 
Cape Town - Police have found forensic evidence in the hijacked car in which a newly-wed British woman was murdered, Western Cape Community Safety MEC Albert Fritz said on Monday.

Shrien Dewani, 31, and his 28-year-old wife Anni were reportedly heading back to their Cape Town hotel after dinner in Somerset West on Saturday night, when they asked their driver to take them to a nightlife hotspot near Gugulethu.

The car was stopped by gunmen who forced the driver out of the vehicle before speeding off with the couple inside.

Shrien was dropped off unharmed and managed to raise the alarm.

Anni's body was found in the car the following day.

Cause of death

Fritz told Sky News police know who they are looking for.

"What we want to confirm at this point is that the investigations are at a very advanced stage.

"We have found positive forensic evidence in the car and we know exactly who the person is," Fritz said.

Police would not give details about the cause of her death.

"A post-mortem will later reveal the exact cause of her death," a statement said.

Unconfirmed reports said that she was shot in the neck.

Shock, sadness and outrage

Earlier on Monday Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa and National Police Commissioner General Bheki Cele urged residents of Gugulethu to help police track down the killers.

In a joint statement, the two expressed their "shock, sadness and outrage" at the killing.

"There are members of the community in the Western Cape who must be aware of the identity of the perpetrators of this barbaric act."

The couple had been married for just two weeks
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http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Honeymoon-murder-police-ID-killer-20101115
 
If they'd been out dining they were quite probably already high. But if they'd wanted to move onto illegal stuff there'd be no reason to go into a dangerous area.
 
Fritz told Sky News police know who they are looking for.

"What we want to confirm at this point is that the investigations are at a very advanced stage.

"We have found positive forensic evidence in the car and we know exactly who the person is," Fritz said.
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That could only be fingerprint evidence, SA does not have a DNA database AFAIK. Unless the guy left his ID book.

But good that the Police seem to be on track.
 
Rather sick all the coverage this story is getting from Enews with politicians and bureaucrats professing shock, horror and outrage when everyday 46 South Africans are murdered and those victims get nothing but silence.
 
Alan said:
Rather sick all the coverage this story is getting from Enews with politicians and bureaucrats professing shock, horror and outrage when everyday 46 South Africans are murdered and those victims get nothing but silence.
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If it bleeds, it leads. Common place for the blood thirsty media hounds.
 
people are more worried about tourists and their money then anything else.

The article says they were heading for Mzoli's on her request, I wonder how true that is as she is dead and cannot defend that comment.
 
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