The Bafana Bafana Thread

[JuliusSeizure]

Surely we have more soccer players and far better facilities than most other African counties. What is the root cause?

It boils down to development.

Here, we only start seriously developing our players in their teens for pro soccer. In Europe and even in the Francophone African countries, that development starts as young as 5.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Benni might take it. He's coached in Portugal and don't think he was too successful. Safa can't afford Pitso any longer.

Sandile Zungu is a successful businessman and there is a good chance he can afford to pay Benni more at AmaZulu than SAFA can afford.

Tinkler is probably going to apply and SAFA might be able to afford him.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Benni might take it. He's coached in Portugal and don't think he was too successful. Safa can't afford Pitso any longer. They also had huge contractual issues with him last time plus they paid him too much and paid even more to be rid of him. Mainly because of their own ineptitude.

He was an assistant coach but that does not really count, it was probably more of a learning experience for him anyway.

He did try to apply for a job in the Scottish League before he joined AmaZulu but didn't succeed.

 

[TheChamp]

Dan Malesela is available, not necessarily for head coach but at least have an assistant coach that actually has a record of winning something.

Ntseki was a non starter without any track record. Arthur Zwane should also be released and all junior teams should have coaches with a decent track record and success in the careers.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Dan Malesela is available, not necessarily for head coach but at least have an assistant coach that actually has a record of winning something.

I have a feeling Tinkler is going to get it.

Let's be honest, the next coach is only going to be in charge until we fail to qualify for the World Cup which we will. It won't make sense to payout AmaZulu and Al Ahly and Benni and Pitso are not the type of guy who would settle for haphazard planning from SAFA.

I'm not sure if Malesela works well with Tinkler, Tinkler is apparently a difficult guy to work with.

Malesela will probably apply but Tinkler has the edge because he has worked outside SA and because of his achievement with Pirates in the CAF Champions League.

 

[TheChamp]

I have a feeling Tinkler is going to get it.

Let's be honest, the next coach is only going to be in charge until we fail to qualify for the World Cup which we will. It won't make sense to payout AmaZulu and Al Ahly and Benni and Pitso are not the type of guy who would settle for haphazard planning from SAFA.

I'm not sure if Malesela works well with Tinkler, Tinkler is apparently a difficult guy to work with.

Malesela will probably apply but Tinkler has the edge because he has worked outside SA and because of his achievement with Pirates in the CAF Champions League.

I think what we need is an overhaul of how the technical team is constituted and how player selection is done, we are failing dismally on selecting the right players, the junior teams are not doing enough to groom players because the coaches are also a bunch of Ntsekis who do not have any record of ever winning anything.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

I think what we need is an overhaul of how the technical team is constituted and how player selection is done, we are failing dismally on selecting the right players, the junior teams are not doing enough to groom players because the coaches are also a bunch of Ntsekis who do not have any record of ever winning anything.

The coach will only really make a difference against evenly matched and teams below us. Even if you put Guardiola to coach Bafana, he probably won't qualify the team for the World Cup. There are deep structural problems and the SAFA executive committee has remained intact despite moving from failure to failure.

Until they are ousted, there won't be much of a difference but they seem to be dictatorial characters who probably will keep their positions until bad health strikes.

I think what might also help is if clubs look to top Algerian, Nigerian, Cameroonian, and Ivorian coaches when they can't find a good South African coach. They usually just get an unknown European coach and most of the time, they are bad, Ernst Middendorp was one of the better ones.

At least, getting top coaches from other African countries can help them learn about strategies to play against other African countries as well because quite frankly, there is a bit of a gulf in class between us and the top nations in Africa.

SuperSport hired a Zimbabwean (Kaitano Tembo) and I actually rate Tembo as one of the best coaches in the PSL now.

 

[R13...]

The coach will only really make a difference against evenly matched and teams below us. Even if you put Guardiola to coach Bafana, he probably won't qualify the team for the World Cup. There are deep structural problems and the SAFA executive committee has remained intact despite moving from failure to failure.

Until they are ousted, there won't be much of a difference but they seem to be dictatorial characters who probably will keep their positions until bad health strikes.

I think what might also help is if clubs look to top Algerian, Nigerian, Cameroonian, and Ivorian coaches when they can't find a good South African coach. They usually just get an unknown European coach and most of the time, they are bad, Ernst Middendorp was one of the better ones.

At least, getting top coaches from other African countries can help them learn about strategies to play against other African countries as well because quite frankly, there is a bit of a gulf in class between us and the top nations in Africa.

SuperSport hired a Zimbabwean (Kaitano Tembo) and I actually rate Tembo as one of the best coaches in the PSL now.

Yeah SAFA are just drifting along with the current without any sort of planning, not planning at any level. Carlos Queiroz apparently drafted them a plan from grassroots to the top and they filed it under 13 when he was fired. They have no ability to put together a strategy. I think we need an outsider to professionalise things and keep them that way.

 

[TheChamp]

The coach will only really make a difference against evenly matched and teams below us. Even if you put Guardiola to coach Bafana, he probably won't qualify the team for the World Cup. There are deep structural problems and the SAFA executive committee has remained intact despite moving from failure to failure.

Until they are ousted, there won't be much of a difference but they seem to be dictatorial characters who probably will keep their positions until bad health strikes.

I think what might also help is if clubs look to top Algerian, Nigerian, Cameroonian, and Ivorian coaches when they can't find a good South African coach. They usually just get an unknown European coach and most of the time, they are bad.

At least, getting top coaches from other African countries can help them learn about strategies to play against other African countries as well because quite frankly, there is a bit of a gulf in class between us and the top nations in Africa.

SuperSport hired a Zimbabwean (Kaitani Tembo) and I actually rate Tembo as one of the best coaches in the PSL now.

Good coaches generally inspire a team believe in themselves and punch way above their weight, that's what the late Bruno Metsu did with Senegal, that's what the white shirt guy did with Zambia.

I don't necessarily believe the coach must be highly decorated to do well, the problem with our current system of a coach who selects their own technical team is how we ended up with Ntseki, it looks like it doesn't matter what the assistant brings to the table, as long as the head coach likes him.

The U17, U19 and U23 coaches should be part of the Bafana technical team, but what are we going to gain from them if they are a bunch of nobodies who have never won anything in their coaching careers?

 

[JuliusSeizure]

The U17, U19 and U23 coaches should be part of the Bafana technical team, but what are we going to gain from them if they are a bunch of nobodies who have never won anything in their coaching careers?

Actually, we could get help from the Americans. The US is still not a soccer nation, the sport is regarded as a female sport there and most of the men there would not even be able to recognize Ronaldo or Messi (that's now unpopular the sport is there). I think it was mentioned somewhere that Thierry Henry could live somewhat of a normal life when he lived and played there at the end of his career because people did not really recognize him.

However, they are now at a state where they are producing youngsters who are playing for the elite clubs in Europe.

They were at our level around 20 years ago so whatever they have been doing has been working.

 

[TheChamp]

Actually, we could get help from the Americans. The US is still not a soccer nation, the sport is regarded as a female sport there and most of the men there would not even be able to recognize Ronaldo or Messi (that's now unpopular the sport is there). I think it was mentioned somewhere that Thierry Henry could live somewhat of a normal life when he lived and played there at the end of his career because people did not really recognize him.

However, they are now at a state where they are producing youngsters who are playing for the elite clubs in Europe.

They were at our level around 20 years ago so whatever they have been doing has been working.

What happened to the guy who was coaching them? I forgot his name but he also coached some big team in Egypt, Zamalek or Ahl Ahly.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

I forgot his name but he also coached some big team in Egypt, Zamalek or Ahl Ahly.

Bob Bradley.

He coached Egypt for a while and also coached Swansea when they were in EPL. The English did not really like him, apparently he was hired mainly because he was American and the American owners wanted an American coach and he also used terms like "PK" for penalty which got on their nerves.

He's now coaching Los Angeles FC. He was in charge when the US beat Spain and reach the Confederations Cup final (losing to Brazil) in SA in 2009.

 

[ubercal]

lets please lock and delete this thread , these muppets (Bafana) are not worth discussing .....

 

[Excalibur]

They want Quieroz.

 

[TheChamp]

They want Quieroz.

Wouldn't someone like Muhsin who has a good track record of working with youngsters and getting the best out of them be a good fit for the position? We don't just need a coach but someone who can spot talent and nurture it.

Quieroz is not a bad coach but I honestly don't believe he will be a good fit.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Wouldn't someone like Muhsin who has a good track record of working with youngsters and getting the best out of them be a good fit for the position?

Muhsin has good knowledge and South Africa is like a second home for him as he worked here for so long.

He is a bit erratic for a coach so I'd rather have him in an advisory board role with SAFA. He is doing something with the Turkish national team at the moment.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

They want Quieroz.

They've been strongly linked with Quiroz many times and it ended up coming to nothing. He is also now 68 years old and I'm not sure if he will be wanting to tackle a messy development project like SA when he can probably get better-paying jobs.

Due to his vast experience coaching in the World Cup, he might get to coach a country at the world cup if he waits it out. Some teams will fire their coach before the world cup and might be inclined to give him a call due to his past experience in the cup.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

We don't just need a coach but someone who can spot talent and nurture it.

Kaitano Tembo is that man. He got the most out of his squad, unearthed a few youngsters like Luke Fleurs, Sipho Mbule, Jamie Webber and got a South African strike pairing (i.e Bradley Grobler and Thami Gabuza to actually fire).

There is strong animosity in general towards Zimbabweans in SA though, something that might work against him.

 

[Excalibur]

Wouldn't someone like Muhsin who has a good track record of working with youngsters and getting the best out of them be a good fit for the position? We don't just need a coach but someone who can spot talent and nurture it.

Quieroz is not a bad coach but I honestly don't believe he will be a good fit.

Muhsin is emotionally immature.

 

[JuliusSeizure]

Muhsin is emotionally immature.

True, he has done some embarrassing things and the Bafana job is very emotionally taxing but with that being said, not many people have as in-depth knowledge of SA football as him so he could be useful in an advisory capacity or as a director of football of one of the big three football clubs.

Baxter could also be useful in an advisory role but I'm not sure if any football body will hire him after his "rape" comments a few months ago in India.