The Bodybuilders Thread: Circuit II

[Brontosaurus]

Convenience or as an alternative to whey powder IMO.

Sooooo whey powder as an alternative to whey powder? OK...Got it!

 

[RogueTr00per]

Sooooo whey powder as an alternative to whey powder? OK...Got it!

To rephrase, an alternative way of taking in whey powder...

 

[Brontosaurus]

To rephrase, an alternative way of taking in whey powder...

But why? You're paying ten times the price for something that is dry and tastes like schit. It's no more convenient than spending the 30 seconds to scoop powder into your shaker.

 

[Gothan]

If you are lactose intolerant you cannot drink whey protein unless isolate. And isolate is a lot more expensive

 

[RogueTr00per]

But why? You're paying ten times the price for something that is dry and tastes like schit. It's no more convenient than spending the 30 seconds to scoop powder into your shaker.

I can't fit a shaker and powdered whey protein in my back pocket or a suit jacket and if I am going to carry around shaker and powdered whey protein then I need a bag of some sorts.

Not all protein bars taste like schit, in fact some I've eaten lately were quite yummy.

I realize they are expensive for what one is getting, so I eat them sparingly, only when necessary or I want a different taste to a whey protein shake. R18 for a 68g nutritech bar is around 2.5 times the cost of making a whey protein shake? I can live with that.

 

[JerryMungo]

^^Dude, grow a pair and carry a steak in your blazer pocket like a man!

 

[Gothan]

Or protein ice cream !!!!!

 

[JerryMungo]

^^pink or not I'd nom that!

 

[FUTLORD_ZA]

Best Whey Protein Shake? , thanks in advance

 

[JerryMungo]

Best Whey Protein Shake? , thanks in advance

Save your money. Eat real food.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/art...rotein-supplements-help-me-put-on-more-muscle

After doing 8 weeks of resistance training, all the participants became stronger. On average:

Lifting capacity increased 33%
Knee strength increased on average 31%
Lean mass increased 1%
Thigh muscle thickness increased 4%

However, there were no statistically significant differences between the protein and the placebo groups.
What does this mean?

In our study, taking the protein supplements had no effect on strength or muscle growth. This is in line with many other studies in healthy adults...

 

[Brontosaurus]

Save your money. Eat real food.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/art...rotein-supplements-help-me-put-on-more-muscle

Any additional protein would be burnt as energy, stored as fat or excreted in urine.

:crylaugh::crylaugh::crylaugh:

What an absolute load of faux journalism is this?!

Once again, you cannot ignore science. First law of thermodynamics.

The "study" - I'll us that term very liberally here, does not factor TDEE into account and the placebo was matodextrin, a carbohydrate, which contains calories.

There's literally so much wrong with this study I don't even know where to start.

"Body can only absorb 20 to 30g of protein in four hours." - This is a complete myth. https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-can-i-eat-in-one-sitting/

Your body needs approximately 2,2g of protein per kg of lean bodyweight. - https://examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-i-need-every-day/

The volunteers were eating 70g of protein a day - That's not nearly enough.

TL;DR: This article is a load of horseschit. Read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/wiki/faq#wiki_diet_details

EDIT: And "excreted in urine"??? Seriously???

 

[Brontosaurus]

Best Whey Protein Shake? , thanks in advance

I quite favour the Myprotein range. They have an excellent choice of flavours and if you order in bulk it's the cheapest by far. The downside i you have to rely on the post office. Packages usually take about 3 weeks to deliver.

 

[prod]

I quite favour the Myprotein range. They have an excellent choice of flavours and if you order in bulk it's the cheapest by far. The downside i you have to rely on the post office. Packages usually take about 3 weeks to deliver.

Almost certain I've seen this range in stores before?

 

[APoc184]

Almost certain I've seen this range in stores before?

Dischem sells some of their products but at massively inflated prices compared to what you would pay if buying directly from them.

IIRC Takealot also sold some of it.

 

[Eedubz]

 

[Emjay]

Link not working.

 

[JerryMungo]

TL;DR: This article is a load of horseschit. Read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/wiki/faq#wiki_diet_details

EDIT: And "excreted in urine"??? Seriously???

Google is your friend. Think first, speak second

“The break down of amino acids results in the formation of ammonia,” says Tabatha Elliott, PhD, who has extensively studied protein at the University of Texas Medical Branch (Galveston). “The ammonia is then converted to less harmful urea in the liver and is then passed through the kidneys and excreted in urine.”

http://www.flexonline.com/nutrition/too-much-protein

Just because you heard it from a supplement sponsored magazine doesn't make it science.

The UK’s rocketing demand for high-protein products is being fuelled by consumers buying foods unlikely to deliver the benefits they are seeking, experts have said.

Weetabix, Shreddies, Mars, Snickers and Batchelors Cup a Soup were among the brands that launched enhanced protein versions this year as the trend hit the mainstream.

Many supermarkets have introduced dedicated sections for higher-protein products and, according to Euromonitor, the market for sports protein products alone – which excludes most of the mainstream brands – is expected to hit £413m this year and almost £750m (in today’s money) in five years’ time.

But experts have warned that consumers, particularly gym-goers, are falling victim to clever marketing.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeand...rs-flushing-money-down-the-toilet-say-experts

Yes, you read the title correctly… Contrary to what you may have been led to believe from reading about protein supplementation online or listening to the most jacked guy at your gym talk about muscle building, supplementation, and dieting, whey protein powder, which is composed of a collection of globular proteins isolated from the liquid material created as a by-product of cheese production, is not the ultimate health food. Actually, consuming supplements like whey protein concentrate and whey protein bars may do you more harm than good.

The dark side of protein supplementation

Whey protein supplements – in particular whey protein powders – are among the most popular supplements on the market today, largely because conventional wisdom suggests that a daily protein shake or two is a great addition to an otherwise healthy diet – especially for those who strength train on a regular basis.

It’s no longer just bodybuilders and fitness models that mix up a shake after their workout and include some strawberry-flavoured whey protein in their morning smoothie, but also housewives who’ll do everything to halt the physical decline that occurs as they get older and average Joes who are looking to gain some muscle for the beach season.

This situation didn’t arise because there’s strong scientific evidence to show that protein supplementation is healthy (more on that later) or that we are better off drinking a protein shake than eating a steak or omelette, but because clever marketing, industry-funded research, and “gym talk” have led us to believe that the protein-packed powders you can now buy at every health food store greatly enhance our chances of building a lean, fit, and healthy body.

I know that the statement that whey protein consumption is unhealthy is controversial, and that a lot of people will criticize this view and do everything they can to defend the chocolate-flavoured, fast-absorbing whey protein powder they have in their kitchen cupboard. Not necessarily because they think they are better off drinking a protein shake than eating real food, but because they don’t want to believe that a supplement that has been a regular part of their diet for a long time may have been doing them more harm than good. Also, I think a lot of people will do “anything” to avoid giving up the convenience of just mixing some protein powder with water instead of having to prepare a protein-filled meal.

I’m not opposed to the use of protein supplements because I think “high-protein diets” (>20% of total calories from protein) are dangerous. Actually, I think the vast majority of people would benefit from eating more protein. Furthermore, I acknowledge that drinking a protein shake is an easy and convenient way to boost one’s protein intake. My point isn’t that you should throw out your protein powder if you for some reason are absolutely dependent on supplementing in order to get enough high-quality protein into your body every day. Rather, my point is that you are best off getting all of your protein from real, minimally processed food.

1. Whey protein powder is an evolutionarily novel, processed food product with an abnormal nutrient composition
2. Whey protein can destabilize the gut microbiota
3. Whey protein consumption can lead to the onset or aggravation of acne vulgaris
4. Whey protein is highly insulinogenic
5. Some protein powders contain high levels of toxic heavy metals
6. Whey protein powders have an unbalanced nutrient composition and poor micronutrient profile when compared to meat, fish, and eggs
7. Whey protein supplements contain peptides and hormones that may negatively impact human health
8. You don’t need a post-workout protein shake
9. Most protein supplements contain artificial ingredients that may promote sugar cravings, glucose intolerance, and/or fat gain
10. The bottom line: Nature knows best

http://darwinian-medicine.com/10-reasons-why-you-shouldnt-use-whey-protein-supplements/

 

[Brontosaurus]

Google is your friend. Think first, speak second

“The break down of amino acids results in the formation of ammonia,” says Tabatha Elliott, PhD, who has extensively studied protein at the University of Texas Medical Branch (Galveston). “The ammonia is then converted to less harmful urea in the liver and is then passed through the kidneys and excreted in urine.” Because it’s the job of the kidneys to take away any excess protein that your body’s not using, mainstream nutritionists worry that eating excess protein could tax your kidneys.

http://www.flexonline.com/nutrition/too-much-protein

Just because you heard it from a supplement sponsored magazine doesn't make it science.

And this, literally the NEXT PARAGRAPH in the same article you quoted:

However, several studies have shown that this just isn’t the case. One study, presented at the International Society of Sports Nutrition’s annual conference in 2005, examined the diets of 77 resistance-trained males and then tested their blood for various markers of kidney health. The subjects were eating about 0.8 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight per day, and their kidneys were in perfect health. Another study, conducted at the Free University of Brussels (Belgium), found similar results for people consuming roughly 1.3 grams of protein per pound.

There is very strong evidence that athletes who are taking in more protein are actually using that protein, either to build muscle or to burn as fuel, and therefore, because their bodies don’t have a glut of protein to excrete, there’s little reason to be worried about kidney health.

What about my bones? Can’t high protein intake make them brittle?

There have been some studies that have shown that high amounts of protein in the diet can increase the amount of calcium the body excretes, which could potentially lead to fractures and osteoporosis, but those studies mostly involved purified protein, and not whole-food protein sources like meat. “But I drink three protein shakes a day,” you say, panicking. “Isn’t that purified protein?” We hear you. But the fact that you also eat whole food protein sources like chicken and steak should provide you with enough calcium-protecting phosophorous and other nutrients. That, at least, was the finding of one study published in the Journal of Nutrition in 2003. Subjects were fed either a high-meat or low-meat diet for eight weeks, and researchers found that there was no difference in calcium excretion between the groups.

Still worried? A study at Warsawa Agricultural University (Poland) showed that, in rats at least, a high-protein diet actually increased bone mineralization, meaning the rats that ate more protein had stronger bones. And also, keep in mind that resistance exercise (aka lifting weights) is one of the best things you can do to keep your bones strong.

Flex recommends you get at least one gram per pound of bodyweight per day of quality lean protein and drink protein shakes around workout time to make your muscles — and the rest of you — happy.

So my return advice to you. READ first, speak second.

EDIT: Also, I did not realise that a fitness magazine theorised the first law of thermodynamics. Thanks for letting me know that bit of information.

 

[Emjay]

I am not sure why you keep raising the First Law of Thermodynamics. No one is stating that energy is made up of nothing. If you look at the studies holistically, it seems reasonable that eating a whole food diet according to target macros is actually better than taking man made supplements. Whey can be insulinogenic and can mess up gut bacteria (which arguably is probably one of the most important factors of overall health). That's concerning to me. Enough to make me rather make an effort to eat better instead of picking up a protein bar or mixing a shake. The fact that my kidneys are ok is great, but that's not the issue of concern here.

 

[Eedubz]

Half the reason people aren't making gains is because they fixate and waste so much time overthinking things.

Lift heavy
Eat your oats
Get some sleep
Grow

It really doesn't need to be complicated. BBing isn't rocket science. Go lift people :wtf: