The Bodybuilders Thread: Circuit II

[jman]

Hi guys. I'm looking to slim down a bit before I go on holiday to Thailand in November. Started at 85kg, currently down to about 83kg. Should I look into getting a whey protein, because I'm still lifting about 3 times a week, and a 5km run once a week. I'm cutting down on the calories - hope I can releal my abs my November

 

[Thor]

Hi guys. I'm looking to slim down a bit before I go on holiday to Thailand in November. Started at 85kg, currently down to about 83kg. Should I look into getting a whey protein, because I'm still lifting about 3 times a week, and a 5km run once a week. I'm cutting down on the calories - hope I can releal my abs my November

Whey wont make you lean out


Callories In Callories out.

Add cardio, and do some feeder exercises.

Do vacuums every single morning

Results!

 

[jman]

Whey wont make you lean out


Callories In Callories out.

Add cardio, and do some feeder exercises.

Do vacuums every single morning

Results!

Add cardio for after my lifting sessions? What are vacuums?

Suppose I need to maintain that calorie defecit foe some time. I think 75kg should be my goal

 

[Thor]

Add cardio for after my lifting sessions? What are vacuums?

Suppose I need to maintain that calorie defecit foe some time. I think 75kg should be my goal

Depends on your time and mood.

I do 20 minutes up and down a flight of stairs 6 in the morning and then again 20 minutes of rowing/cycling/insert your cardio here/boxing at the end of each workout in the evening at the gym.

 

[Thor]

Vacuums is too difficult to explain via text.

Google Vacuums should be in the first links.

 

[Ancalagon]

Thor is more traditional in these matters, but calories in vs calories out is not as simple as you think.

Here is a hint - your body adjusts calories out automatically depending on calories in.

There was a scientific study recently about what happened to the metabolism of Biggest Loser competitors. Have a look at it, it's interesting reading.

 

[GoneWithTheWindows]

Thor is more traditional in these matters, but calories in vs calories out is not as simple as you think.

Here is a hint - your body adjusts calories out automatically depending on calories in.

There was a scientific study recently about what happened to the metabolism of Biggest Loser competitors. Have a look at it, it's interesting reading.

Link to it please?

 

[Thor]

Thor is more traditional in these matters, but calories in vs calories out is not as simple as you think.

Here is a hint - your body adjusts calories out automatically depending on calories in.

There was a scientific study recently about what happened to the metabolism of Biggest Loser competitors. Have a look at it, it's interesting reading.

If you want the science then these will work but it comes down to calories in calories out provided you know that not all calories are created equal

Calories and Macro's

Calories and Macro References

 

[Ancalagon]

Link to it please?

Here is a link to a discussion of the article.

And here is a good article to read on Calories in vs calories out.

EDIT: Thor, that's like saying your bank account is emptying because you spend more than you deposit.

That doesn't tell you anything meaningful. Your account is emptying because you spend too much - but why are you spending too much?

See, calories in vs calories out doesn't help. People follow it too blindly without thinking about it.

 

[GoneWithTheWindows]

Here is a link to a discussion of the article.

And here is a good article to read on Calories in vs calories out.

EDIT: Thor, that's like saying your bank account is emptying because you spend more than you deposit.

That doesn't tell you anything meaningful. Your account is emptying because you spend too much - but why are you spending too much?

See, calories in vs calories out doesn't help. People follow it too blindly without thinking about it.

Thanks.

 

[Thor]

Here is a link to a discussion of the article.

And here is a good article to read on Calories in vs calories out.

EDIT: Thor, that's like saying your bank account is emptying because you spend more than you deposit.

That doesn't tell you anything meaningful. Your account is emptying because you spend too much - but why are you spending too much?

See, calories in vs calories out doesn't help. People follow it too blindly without thinking about it.

Read below

If you want the science then these will work but it comes down to calories in calories out provided you know that not all calories are created equal

Calories and Macro's

Calories and Macro References

 

[Ancalagon]

Read below

I've read it and it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Just rehashing the same old ideas.

You don't explain WHY low carb diets typically result in weight loss, even if "calorie count" is kept the same.

EDIT: It definitely does not come down to calories in vs calories out.

 

[Thor]

I've read it and it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Just rehashing the same old ideas.

You don't explain WHY low carb diets typically result in weight loss, even if "calorie count" is kept the same.

EDIT: It definitely does not come down to calories in vs calories out.

No it's exaclty what it comes down to the issue is people don't understand how the body handles calories and doesn't fathom the calories are not created equal part and there one can go very in depth with types of food and the effects it has on the metabolism etc etc. Clearly… a 100 calories of fructose will have completely different effects on the body than a 100 calories of quality protein. A calorie is NOT a calorie..

But at the end of the day if you eat more than you burn of then you'll get fat it's as simple as that. No need to over complicate things.

I say these things with the assumption that the reader of this post knows and understands when I say clean calories.

 

[Ancalagon]

No it's exaclty what it comes down to the issue is people don't understand how the body handles calories and doesn't fathom the calories are not created equal part and there one can go very in depth with types of food and the effects it has on the metabolism etc etc.

But at the end of the day if you eat more than you burn of then you'll get fat it's as simple as that. No need to over complicate things.

I say these things with the assumption that the reader of this post knows and understands when I say clean calories.

But what influences the burn rate though?

Do you know it goes up and down depending on what you eat?

This is where it gets complicated and exactly where the traditional body building advice fails.

People think you can look up on a calculator to see how much energy you burn in a day, forgetting that your energy burn in a day depends on what you eat and what you do - not just what you do.

 

[Thor]

But what influences the burn rate though?

Do you know it goes up and down depending on what you eat?

This is where it gets complicated and exactly where the traditional body building advice fails.

People think you can look up on a calculator to see how much energy you burn in a day, forgetting that your energy burn in a day depends on what you eat and what you do - not just what you do.

Fully agree, but his not a body builder his a modern human consuming modern junk food. He already asked about whey which is junk plain and simple. There is no substitute for real food.

60% protein 30% carbs 10% fats is a good start for him I'd say. Of course to verify that one will have to do a psychical so I use the rule of thumb method.

The more muscle you have the more fat you burn.

Different foods go through different metabolic pathways. Some foods can cause hormone changes that encourage weight gain, while other foods can increase satiety and boost the metabolic rate.

That's why I keep it simple to the foods we know and understand.

Protein = Eggs, Red meat, Chicken
Carbs = Yams, Rice, oats
Fats = Omega 3, Fish oil, coconut oil, Peanut butter

 

[JJCT]

Speaking of the Biggest Loser I read recently they are putting contestants together for a class action lawsuit against the show, something like 90% of them put the weight back on and more. They are saying they were ill treated by the show and doctors and given drugs.

That was always going to happen. Training to lose weight in a environment with no real life situations and work with big prize money as a motivation would never last once the show was done. The only prize we have to work out even if we are tired and had a long day is sore legs, rough hands and of course the gains!!!

 

[Brontosaurus]

I have the body of a 12 year old male.

Yup, I peaked at 83 kg's but I will admit I got a little fat. I didn't care though I was doing 5x5 and strength was going up so was big smiles all around lol

Dude when I started I weighed 59kg. I'm currently on 93kg.

Just keep at it, and always remember to eat. I try to hork down at least 4,000 calories a day, with at least 220g of protein.

The rest will come a lot more easily if your diet is in check.

 

[HDS]

Fully agree, but his not a body builder his a modern human consuming modern junk food. He already asked about whey which is junk plain and simple. There is no substitute for real food.

60% protein 30% carbs 10% fats is a good start for him I'd say. Of course to verify that one will have to do a psychical so I use the rule of thumb method.

The more muscle you have the more fat you burn.

Different foods go through different metabolic pathways. Some foods can cause hormone changes that encourage weight gain, while other foods can increase satiety and boost the metabolic rate.

That's why I keep it simple to the foods we know and understand.

Protein = Eggs, Red meat, Chicken
Carbs = Yams, Rice, oats
Fats = Omega 3, Fish oil, coconut oil, Peanut butter

Talking about coconut oil, do you just gulp down a few teaspoons? I'm shifting my macros to get more of my calories from fats rather than carbs, and want to include either olive or coconut oil, but at a loss on how to actually get it in me without puking lol.

 

[Thor]

Talking about coconut oil, do you just gulp down a few teaspoons? I'm shifting my macros to get more of my calories from fats rather than carbs, and want to include either olive or coconut oil, but at a loss on how to actually get it in me without puking lol.

Personally I eat a teaspoon.

However you can start by just cooking your food in it.

I just prefer the teaspoon then I know exactly how much I got in.

 

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