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Need some assistance. My son is a rugby player and wants to gain body mass. Somebody suggested Biogen Bulk super mass generator. He used it for 6 weeks but only gained 1kg. He started with SSN Mass Addiction now.

He is 16 (I know do not give stuff to kids u/18) 1,76m and 65kg. He eats like crazy but doesn't pick up weight. He has very little fat on him and has a great body definition. He is one of those persons that can eat anything without gaining weight.

He goes to the gym, exercise like crazy, goes to rugby practice (he plays 15 man and 7's rugby)

I just want to know does this SSN Mass Addiction contain any banned substances ? I dont want him to use something that will get him in trouble if they do test.
 
He is a growing kid - also, gaining weight has more to do with genes than you think. His body will grow when the hormones tell it to, not just because he eats a lot. If he's eating OK, don't push it at this stage. Some kids fill out later than others, some have genes that make it difficult for them (ectomorph).

Most off the shelf stuff won't have banned substances in them. Make sure that he is eating healthy before worrying about supps. Also, take the time to make 'tupperware' meals for him that he can eat more frequently with smaller portions...

[video=youtube;FcY3QHLsSnw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FcY3QHLsSnw[/video]
 
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SlowInternet said:
Need some assistance. My son is a rugby player and wants to gain body mass. Somebody suggested Biogen Bulk super mass generator. He used it for 6 weeks but only gained 1kg. He started with SSN Mass Addiction now.

He is 16 (I know do not give stuff to kids u/18) 1,76m and 65kg. He eats like crazy but doesn't pick up weight. He has very little fat on him and has a great body definition. He is one of those persons that can eat anything without gaining weight.

He goes to the gym, exercise like crazy, goes to rugby practice (he plays 15 man and 7's rugby)

I just want to know does this SSN Mass Addiction contain any banned substances ? I dont want him to use something that will get him in trouble if they do test.
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How many calories a day is he eating? How many burning?
 
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I recommend your son gets 150g/day of protein in his diet. This can be done using those high in calorie protein shakes like the ones you described. You can also stack creatine ontop of this to give him more of an edge in the gym. I took creatine from 17. My dad is a doctor and he himself had no reservations over me taking creatine. Your son sounds like he has a high metabolism surely due to his highly active lifestyle. Cardio activities like playing sport or running/cycling sap the macronutrients from your system leaving less for your muscles. I would advice your son to try out high intensity interval training (HIIT) then he should get a body like lambie with a year or two of solid dedication.

I would not worry about commercial suppliments containing banned performance enhancing drugs. If you bought it in a pharmacy it is generally ok.
 
SlowInternet said:
Need some assistance. My son is a rugby player and wants to gain body mass. Somebody suggested Biogen Bulk super mass generator. He used it for 6 weeks but only gained 1kg. He started with SSN Mass Addiction now.

He is 16 (I know do not give stuff to kids u/18) 1,76m and 65kg. He eats like crazy but doesn't pick up weight. He has very little fat on him and has a great body definition. He is one of those persons that can eat anything without gaining weight.

He goes to the gym, exercise like crazy, goes to rugby practice (he plays 15 man and 7's rugby)

I just want to know does this SSN Mass Addiction contain any banned substances ? I dont want him to use something that will get him in trouble if they do test.
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Google IIFYM, get him on a bulking diet ASAP and make sure his coach is making him do the appropriate exercises for his position.

As for the supplements, 95% of them are marketing schemes.

Supplements that work

Creatine 5g a day (don't buy into the 20g loading phase Bull****). Must be creatine monohydrate.
Whey Protein, remember, on a muscle building diet you need one gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. So 65 kg = 143 g of protein - DAILY. There is some leeway but generally don't go under 0.8 per lb of bodyweight.
Multivitamins - there are essential to anyone who does strenuous activity daily. (just be careful with the vitamin A - don't go over 100% of the recommended daily allowance).

Supplements that may work, but generally don't if you are hitting your macros and getting enough protein/amino acids
Glutamine
Leucine


Stay away from natural testosterone boosters, most of them only increase testosterone by about 40% and 40% is not sufficient to boost muscle building ability. At the most it would increase libido - but as a 16 year old he doesn't need that.

Exercise without proper nutrition is futile.

I cannot stress IIFYM enough, for both him and you. (That's IF IT FITS YOUR MACROS)


Nothing he can buy off the shelf will make him fail a test, unless he can get his hands on Jacked 3D - but this is being banned anyways because of the dimethylamylamine. But it's just a preworkout anyways - he doesn't need it.
 
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He is a growing kid - also, gaining weight has more to do with genes than you think. His body will grow when the hormones tell it to, not just because he eats a lot. If he's eating OK, don't push it at this stage. Some kids fill out later than others, some have genes that make it difficult for them (ectomorph).

Most off the shelf stuff won't have banned substances in them. Make sure that he is eating healthy before worrying about supps. Also, take the time to make 'tupperware' meals for him that he can eat more frequently with smaller portions...

[video=youtube;FcY3QHLsSnw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FcY3QHLsSnw[/video]
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+1. Natural food over supplements!

@slowinternet, what is your kid doing at the gym? Does no good if he's doing the wrong stuff? He sounds pretty skinny. I hope he's not using 5kg dumbbells for bicep curls or something like I saw two skinny guys doing at gym on the weekend? ;)

I'm following the stronglifts.com program, hoping it yields results over the coming weeks :p
 
ryan411 said:
+1. Natural food over supplements!

@slowinternet, what is your kid doing at the gym? Does no good if he's doing the wrong stuff? He sounds pretty skinny. I hope he's not using 5kg dumbbells for bicep curls or something like I saw two skinny guys doing at gym on the weekend? ;)

I'm following the stronglifts.com program, hoping it yields results over the coming weeks :p
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Weight is irrelevant, time under tension is relevant. Your muscle doesn't know how much you're lifting, it only knows that it needs to adapt to the strenuous exercise.

That's why we stress that the eccentric part of your flexion/extension is around 5 seconds.
 
ryan411 said:
I'm following the stronglifts.com program, hoping it yields results over the coming weeks :p
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You will definitely see results, although this will initially be with strength, which you will need for bodybuilding.
Keep going, finish the program at least once over a period of 3-6 months.


InternetSwag said:
Weight is irrelevant, time under tension is relevant. Your muscle doesn't know how much you're lifting, it only knows that it needs to adapt to the strenuous exercise.

That's why we stress that the eccentric part of your flexion/extension is around 5 seconds.
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That is not entirely true. Weight is relevant, if the weight you do is not heavy enough, good luck with growing muscle. What is true, is you need to put stress on the muscles, and whether you do this via sheer weight or a combination of weights and tention, both will work almost equally well.

But hey, go do 5k dumbbells on all your exercises but focus on TuT and tell me how good it works for you.

TuT is not for beginners, who are still learning the exercises, and getting their body ready in the initial phase of starting to work out muscles. It is more important to first learn how to do the exercises, get used to working out, and then later when beginner programs don't yield results anymore, you move on to intermediate programs, and later advanced programs.
 
That's why you apply progressive overload so that the muscle is forced to adapt.

What I'm getting at is that you don't need to lift super heavy to get optimal hypertrophy.
 
InternetSwag said:
Weight is irrelevant, time under tension is relevant. Your muscle doesn't know how much you're lifting, it only knows that it needs to adapt to the strenuous exercise.

That's why we stress that the eccentric part of your flexion/extension is around 5 seconds.
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InternetSwag said:
That's why you apply progressive overload so that the muscle is forced to adapt.

What I'm getting at is that you don't need to lift super heavy to get optimal hypertrophy.
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I hear you... i didn't elaborate because I wasn't scrutinising them, but the point was that the weights looked really light even for a couple of skinny guys and they were doing their curls really fast. It was just funny because now I know better and myself and another guy (i call him mini-hulk because he is about 5'4" and 67kg but deadlifts 150kg and he only just started deadlifts) were doing squats next to them :p

edit: Furthermore, them doing bicep curls seems a waste of time if they aren't doing their compound movements as a foundation for their workout program. Assuming they aren't... I didn't ask them :)
 
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Tinuva said:
You will definitely see results, although this will initially be with strength, which you will need for bodybuilding.
Keep going, finish the program at least once over a period of 3-6 months.<snip>.
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I notice that Mehdi has no substantial calf development going on. I take it if I want bigger calves then I can't rely on stronglifts alone and I need to throw in calf raises, both the standing and seated variety? I think my calves are bigger than Mehdi and that's without even doing anything.

Regarding diet whilst doing stronglifts, so I should go low carbs if I wanna burn fat with a caloric deficit? Should I throw in some cardio on non gym days perhaps?
 
ryan411 said:
I notice that Mehdi has no substantial calf development going on. I take it if I want bigger calves then I can't rely on stronglifts alone and I need to throw in calf raises, both the standing and seated variety? I think my calves are bigger than Mehdi and that's without even doing anything.

Regarding diet whilst doing stronglifts, so I should go low carbs if I wanna burn fat with a caloric deficit? Should I throw in some cardio on non gym days perhaps?
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I dunno about calves, I do actually do calve raises on top of my regular program, but even doing many reps at insane weights, mine doesn't really grow that much. My opinion is their looks are very dependant on genetics, thinking about the body size on the muscles, ligament lengths ect. Most of the size in my legs are going to quads/hammies (basically upper legs).
 
Hi all,

Looking to get more definition but because of my current time-constaints only managing to exercise at home so I've been considering a pull-up bar; already have some weights that I use but been wondering if the pull-up bar would assist in getting some definition.
Do Kendo and starting squash next month. Not over-weight but have some exxess bulge around the stomach area :o while the rest of my body is pretty well toned.

Also I have creatine and whey protein but do any of these help with gaining definition?

I'm 5'6 and weigh around 63kg's.
 
It's all in the diet.

You need to read up on formulas to work out your calorie needs for maintenance, bulking and cutting and from there you can build a diet that suits the macro nutrient needs you require.

I am currently on a 2500 calorie a day cut with a 60/25/15 split between proteins, carbs and healthy fats and I've shed 4kg+ in 24 days. My weight at starting point was 101 and working it down to 92 and 11% bf.

Believe it when you read it that what you want to achieve is ALL IN THE DIET 80%+.

Protein and creatine will assist in training yes, but if not backed by a damn good diet...won't do much.
 
Hi all,

Looking to get more definition but because of my current time-constaints only managing to exercise at home so I've been considering a pull-up bar; already have some weights that I use but been wondering if the pull-up bar would assist in getting some definition.
Do Kendo and starting squash next month. Not over-weight but have some exxess bulge around the stomach area while the rest of my body is pretty well toned.

Also I have creatine and whey protein but do any of these help with gaining definition?

I'm 5'6 and weigh around 63kg's.
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Pullups are one of the best back exercises out there. just vary your grip , don't use the same grip all the time and most of all try go wide.
You will struggle at first and might not make a full chin up but keep at it.
I would also get a pushup routine in there, maybe get some pushups bars you get from Sportmans, they give you a nice deep stretch.
Unfortunately without heavy weights and at least a bench or dumbells you'll never achieve "great" goals.
The abs will show with good diet, pullups also hit your abs as well, at least they do mine especially lower abs.

If you have a back yard, what you can is get yourself some heavy sand bags 40 - 50kg and carry them to other side of garden/house and place them on ground, stand up and then pick them up again.
You'll be shredded in NO time.
Think ala Worlds Strongest Man type workouts, they fun as well .
 
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Definition is more about diet if you're already exercising. Avoid refined sugars and high GI carbs, eat more veg and protein.
 
Pho3nix said:
Hi all,

Looking to get more definition but because of my current time-constaints only managing to exercise at home so I've been considering a pull-up bar; already have some weights that I use but been wondering if the pull-up bar would assist in getting some definition.
Do Kendo and starting squash next month. Not over-weight but have some exxess bulge around the stomach area :o while the rest of my body is pretty well toned.

Also I have creatine and whey protein but do any of these help with gaining definition?

I'm 5'6 and weigh around 63kg's.
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Hey man, do as Orihalcon advises, assuming you are happy with current muscle mass. It sounds like u store your fat first in your mid-section, like most males. I'm the same weight and height as you, I don't have any sort of 'tummy bulge', i have a two pack showing... I reckon I am at least 6kg shy of a six-pack, based on my current body fat of ~17%. So... if it's a six pack u want, u have a fair bit to lose. My diet hasn't been strict, so I until I get that right then it's not gonna happen by accident I reckon!

Orihalcon said:
It's all in the diet.

You need to read up on formulas to work out your calorie needs for maintenance, bulking and cutting and from there you can build a diet that suits the macro nutrient needs you require.

I am currently on a 2500 calorie a day cut with a 60/25/15 split between proteins, carbs and healthy fats and I've shed 4kg+ in 24 days. My weight at starting point was 101 and working it down to 92 and 11% bf.

Believe it when you read it that what you want to achieve is ALL IN THE DIET 80%+.

Protein and creatine will assist in training yes, but if not backed by a damn good diet...won't do much.
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