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But my back... Eish, feels like someone took their knee and rammed it into my coccyx and lower back multiple times. I just won't Deadlift or squat for a long time. Possibly never again. Might have to find alternatives like the Hodgetwins.

OHP will hurt your lower back especially if you force a heavy weight up, maybe instead try single arm dumbell overhead press, I use these at the end of my shoulder routine using 30kg dumbells either side reps up to around 6 - 8 , sort of like Arnold press except standing , it's a killer.

I find sometimes if I do Clean and Press with a heavy weight, on the pressing part I sometimes arched my lower back and I felt a pain in my lower back where it cannot arch anymore, not good.

An exercise I feel hits my traps, upper back and rear delts is bent over dumbell raises with palms facing forward as apposed to palms facing outwards like you would do in lateral raise.
 
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This talk about proper bench form makes me wonder. If my form is not correct, perhaps that is why I am not sore the next day unless I do several sets of incline dumbbell press and flat dumbbell press in addition to the standard 5x5 bench press...

From what I can gather, a straight up and down motion is not ideal, from what I have read from the "pros" in the muscle mags is that you must lower to nipple height and end above your throat, I have personally found this to be the best for me.
I have had to lower the weight as well to keep the arc, I think many people don't do bench correctly and are more interested in the weight on the bar so they go straight up and down so you'll have nice big shoulders and lats but small chest.
My 5c

A guy I'm following now is Kei Green, he has some Youtube videos, I find his exercising to be ideal for me.
 
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=138843263&page=1

What do you guys think about milk?
I recently started drinking a lot of the stuff at least over 1.5ltrs a day if not more.
I must admit I feel more energetic especially using it as a pre workout drink but this could also be that I have increased my food intake and could also be that I rest more often these days.

I have heard it'll make you fat, also read it'll help with fat loss, also read to watch out for high sodium levels.
I mean it is milk after all, my 2yr is hooked on full cream since 1yr and he is a big sod, he is much bigger than some 4yr old's he has been around and I'm not talking fat.
 
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http://undergroundwellness.com/podcasts/devil-in-the-milk/
Devil in the Milk
November 17th, 2011 | 0 Comments

Guest: Keith Woodford

Keith Woodford, author of Devil in the Milk, stops by UW Radio to discuss the link between a protein in the milk we drink and a range of serious illnesses, including heart disease, Type 1 diabetes, autism, and schizophrenia. Topics include the difference between A1 and A2 milk, potential dangers of consuming A1 milk (containing A1 beta-casein), and the connection between milk and gluten.

Listen to the Show!
EDIT: Sean Croxton of Underground Wellness gives us the low down:
[video=youtube;MkPnUL5xfYA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkPnUL5xfYA[/video]


Part 2 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g2h17K7oL8
 
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So here is the video, it's shaky as hell and poverty quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEFP0y6vDGE

20kg bar + 10kg and 5kg plate on each side. Was hoping for 1 rep at least, got 4 lol. As for the form, not perfect, but it was my 5th set so I just really wanted to get the video up. I think my hands might be too far apart, not sure if that makes it harder or easier.

Threw in some poses

http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0009_zps1fb0ee94.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0012_zps4a88630c.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0008_zpsec83d60f.jpg
Abs not even once
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0002_zpsa364c73f.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0010_zps87c28164.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/010220131097_zps72e4152c.jpg

Yeah, you can view my entire photobucket from there, don't really care, nothing interesting but a few nerdy screenshots from WoW or Pokemon or whatever.
 
So here is the video, it's shaky as hell and poverty quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEFP0y6vDGE

20kg bar + 10kg and 5kg plate on each side. Was hoping for 1 rep at least, got 4 lol. As for the form, not perfect, but it was my 5th set so I just really wanted to get the video up. I think my hands might be too far apart, not sure if that makes it harder or easier.

Threw in some poses

http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps1fb0ee94.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps4a88630c.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/a...psec83d60f.jpg
Abs not even once
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/a...psa364c73f.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps87c28164.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps72e4152c.jpg

Yeah, you can view my entire photobucket from there, don't really care, nothing interesting but a few nerdy screenshots from WoW or Pokemon or whatever.

How long have you been gymming for?
 
IS, your arms are huge! Considerably larger that your chest. Is that perhaps an indication that you are using triceps too much in your bench press? I've been wondering the same thing w.r.t. my bench press form. My arms get tired, not my chest.

Regarding the video, the angle makes it hard to see.... but the VA staff dude checking my form said I should keep my elbows in, and come down slowly. He said you never wanna let the weight come down fast for shoulders in case of injury. The others can correct this point if what i was told was wrong.

Also I use the squat rack for OHP so the weight starts at about chest height, but perhaps I am not meant to??
 
So here is the video, it's shaky as hell and poverty quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEFP0y6vDGE

20kg bar + 10kg and 5kg plate on each side. Was hoping for 1 rep at least, got 4 lol. As for the form, not perfect, but it was my 5th set so I just really wanted to get the video up. I think my hands might be too far apart, not sure if that makes it harder or easier.

Threw in some poses

http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0009_zps1fb0ee94.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0012_zps4a88630c.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0008_zpsec83d60f.jpg
Abs not even once
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0002_zpsa364c73f.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0010_zps87c28164.jpg
http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/010220131097_zps72e4152c.jpg

Yeah, you can view my entire photobucket from there, don't really care, nothing interesting but a few nerdy screenshots from WoW or Pokemon or whatever.

You do a few things wrong imo.

1. Your head is too far back for most of the exercise. When the bar is infront of your face, it should almost hit you on the cheek and nose. Then once the bar is past your face, your head should move forward, inline with the rest of your body. With the way you do it, you are almost leaning backward, and your upper chest does some of the work your shoulders should be doing. Additionally, you load more weight on to your spine than you should, and could hurt you in the long run.

Edit in for point 1: I can't find the source now, but I read somewhere, for any weight you hold in-front of you whilst standing, is like holding 4x or 10x that weight on your back. Really wish I could find the source now.

2. This is maybe not a mistake an personal preferance, but you don't lower the bar as far as I do, I take it all the way back down to my chest. ROM counts to me. This will make it more difficult for you I believe.

3. Lower the bar slowly after the lift, I believe you gain more strength from the negative part of the lift than from the positive part. Fast up, quick pause, slow down.


To give you an idea what it should like on good form, watch this Stronglifts 5x5 video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro3Mh9o7JPU
ps. Go to 12:50 where he starts with the OHP.

pps. hands should be shoulder width apart on the bar. This will increase the ROM, but ultimately make you stronger and increase shoulder size more.
 
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How long have you been gymming for?
7 months bulking, although before that I was doing stupid chite like pull ups once a month, but I did get my noob gains.

IS, your arms are huge! Considerably larger that your chest. Is that perhaps an indication that you are using triceps too much in your bench press? I've been wondering the same thing w.r.t. my bench press form. My arms get tired, not my chest.

Regarding the video, the angle makes it hard to see.... but the VA staff dude checking my form said I should keep my elbows in, and come down slowly. He said you never wanna let the weight come down fast for shoulders in case of injury. The others can correct this point if what i was told was wrong.

Also I use the squat rack for OHP so the weight starts at about chest height, but perhaps I am not meant to??

thanks for the compliment, I don't really think my arms are big at all yet, but I will accept any praise :D
Yeah my chest is seriously lagging, absolute chite compared to my triceps.

I also use the squat rack, I pull the bar up though, I don't know why, there's no reason to.
 
You do a few things wrong imo.

1. Your head is too far back for most of the exercise. When the bar is infront of your face, it should almost hit you on the cheek and nose. Then once the bar is past your face, your head should move forward, inline with the rest of your body. With the way you do it, you are almost leaning backward, and your upper chest does some of the work your shoulders should be doing. Additionally, you load more weight on to your spine than you should, and could hurt you in the long run.

Edit in for point 1: I can't find the source now, but I read somewhere, for any weight you hold in-front of you whilst standing, is like holding 4x or 10x that weight on your back. Really wish I could find the source now.

2. This is maybe not a mistake an personal preferance, but you don't lower the bar as far as I do, I take it all the way back down to my chest. ROM counts to me. This will make it more difficult for you I believe.

3. Lower the bar slowly after the lift, I believe you gain more strength from the negative part of the lift than from the positive part. Fast up, quick pause, slow down.


To give you an idea what it should like on good form, watch this Stronglifts 5x5 video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro3Mh9o7JPU
ps. Go to 12:50 where he starts with the OHP.

pps. hands should be shoulder width apart on the bar. This will increase the ROM, but ultimately make you stronger and increase shoulder size more.

Awesome! Thanks for the info and the video, actually now that you mention it I actually heard about the strain on the back thing as well, heard its some crazy number like 6x more weight. It makes sense as well, you have 50 kg's of force pushing you down, therefor you need to exert equal power to keep the weight up and your back is at the center of this.

I will lower the weight and correct my form, not too phased about weight, more about muscle gain :D Although I must say it was fun to progress weekly, but not while cheating on form.

Shoulder width makes sense, I was doing it slightly wider. Probably gonna see a big drop in strength now but oh well :)


Ahh just watched the video, my form is so bad lmao, I wasn't really doing an overhead press, more like a lean backwards incline bench overhead press :D :D :D
 
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Always happy if I can help someone.

Oh and btw, don't think that I haven't made those same mistakes, I have done the OHP exactly the way you did as well, and hurt myself quite nicely with it, which is when I decided I need to figure out how to do it correctly. Took me lots of googling, because that video I linked was only uploaded some time after I decided I need to fix it.

Here is another very interesting article to read on OHP.
5 Tips For A Bigger, Badder, Overhead Press
 
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I was one week away from going for 85kg on OHP before I stuffed up my back :( Its now been out for over a month... and all I can still do is bench, and not even that properly because arching hurts a tad. HIGHLY frustrating.
 
Tinuva, what about IS's chest? Is it lagging compared to his arms?? Not to pick on him but looking for constructive advice for myself as well :p

I was one week away from going for 85kg on OHP before I stuffed up my back :( Its now been out for over a month... and all I can still do is bench, and not even that properly because arching hurts a tad. HIGHLY frustrating.
So what do u do in that situation? Time to go on a major calorie deficit (to get ripped) whilst u recuperate and do only safe exercises?
 
So what do u do in that situation? Time to go on a major calorie deficit (to get ripped) whilst u recuperate and do only safe exercises?

At the moment I'm doing bench once a week and getting fat :p

Although this week I'm doing bench 3x a week... probably not the best idea, but I'm bored.

I'm hoping it feels better by the end of the week... want to start a cutting program.
 
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Tinuva, what about IS's chest? Is it lagging compared to his arms?? Not to pick on him but looking for constructive advice for myself as well :p
I mean I looked, but I can;t really tell, like past me, his chest is small. Mind you, I still think mine is small, but its a bit more defined than his.

His arms is not really all that big compared to his chest, they look about right to me.

Ok lets be object.
First take this pic: http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0010_zps87c28164.jpg
Then take this pic: http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad110/Shankadelic/IMG-20130402-WA0012_zps4a88630c.jpg

I specifically took the photos when he doesn't flex too much.

His back, compared to his chest, is much better, and bigger. So IMHO, he for aesthetic purposes, he is doing great with his back, but lacking on his chest.

Then for his arms, they look pretty neutral to me, they are not small, but they are not big either. Take the 2nd pic I linked, look at his left arm (right side in the pic). Look at the body of the upper arm, then at the elbow joint. Size is about equal, arm looks like it is going straight down. It is where I am as well, and a physio said the arms are well developed, eg. muscular, but they are not big as what a body builder would look for.

His shoulders are also coming along well.

Now for the chest, there is some definition, but the muscles are still very small, and as you say, it does look like they are lacking when you looking at the rest of his physique. So I'd say he is progressing on them, but not as good as the rest, when looking at it purely for aesthetics.

I can take it further, like me, the chest can be divided into 3 groups, upper/middle/lower. His upper chest is where most of the growth has happened, much like me. To get the bottom definition, you need to do decline work (something I hate). It is hard to tell whether someone should work on the upper chest (incline work) but I'd say for now that is fine. Most bodybuilders have the bottom and middle part fine, and only need some work on the upper part, however us skinny guys with small chest actually need to put in some decline work on the chest. I personally prefer the high cross-over fly cable work, where handles is attached at the top, and you have to fly down.

Most importantly however, IS is still only 7 months into his gym career, you can't expect too much too fast and this early. IMHO he is doing great and should most continuous with what he is doing now, maybe with a tad more focus on chest, but not so much that he put everything else on to break.
 
Take the 2nd pic I linked, look at his left arm (right side in the pic). Look at the body of the upper arm, then at the elbow joint. Size is about equal, arm looks like it is going straight down. It is where I am as well, and a physio said the arms are well developed, eg. muscular, but they are not big as what a body builder would look for.

Fuuuaarrk that is some nice information that there bolded part. Serious, just changed the way I will look at physiques forever.

You have so much knowledge Tinuva, where does it come from? :O

They don't have a decline bench for bench press at my gym, can I do it with dumbbells? Or just substitute it with your cross over cable fly?
 
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I was one week away from going for 85kg on OHP before I stuffed up my back

damn that sucks, the last thing I want right now is to get injured.

On that topic, I'm not squatting or deadlifting again for a while. Too scared to mess up my back, only leg exercise I can do now is lunges and I despise lunges.
 
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