The Bodybuilders Thread!

[killadoob]

Oats is low GI - ie. sustained release - i.e. you don't feel as hungry - i.e. you eat less... you WILL get fat if you eat too much oats

Ummm you could eat oats all day long and you will not get fat, maybe you might get fat if you chowing 500 grams or more in one go but you can happily eat oats 6 - 8 times a day and not gain any weight. That is like saying fruit makes you fat.

 

[blunomore]

Ummm you could eat oats all day long and you will not get fat, maybe you might get fat if you chowing 500 grams or more in one go but you can happily eat oats 6 - 8 times a day and not gain any weight. That is like saying fruit makes you fat.

I am sure if you ate too much fruit, i.e. consume more calories than you burn, you would gain weight. It's mathematics.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

I am sure if you are too much fruit, i.e. consume more calories than you burn, you would gain weight. It's mathematics.

I have also heard too much fruit is bad for you and can lead to weight gain. But I guess it also depends on the sugar content of the fruit.

 

[JerryMungo]

Ummm you could eat oats all day long and you will not get fat, maybe you might get fat if you chowing 500 grams or more in one go but you can happily eat oats 6 - 8 times a day and not gain any weight. That is like saying fruit makes you fat.

ROFL!
100Gm oats carries over 1600Kj... compare that to pronutro for instance... or Rolos (1900 kj / 100gm)
75% carbs, 15% fat.
Then work out how much you can eat in a day.

Gaining and losing weight is not always rocket science. It's mostly consuming more or less than your body needs to maintain it's weight. The reason Oats is so good is that you don't have to continue eating to maintain sugar levels - it's slow release aka low GI. If you ate oats all day you would certainly get huge lol.
You could eat oats all day without putting on weight as long as you cotch or run all day.

 

[killadoob]

Eish you really think eating rolo's and a bowl of oats is the same thing. Crazy.

In addition to this, instant oatmeal also helps in reducing the medication in a person with diabetes. Instant oatmeal is also full of proteins and has about 50% of the amount of manganese a person requires in a day. Oatmeal also offers lots of iron, magnesium and thiamin. So it can be seen that instant oatmeal helps you to lose weight, and at the same time, provides you with your required nutrients. There is absolutely no cholesterol in a bowl of instant oatmeal as there is only three grams of dietary fiber in it. Oatmeal is a high source of phosphorus where you can find 133 mg of phosphorus and 42 mg of magnesium in it.

Instant oatmeal is a dish that does not have many calories. Though a portion of oatmeal has only 110 calories, it is a very filling dish. With a bowl of instant oatmeal, your hunger gets satisfied and you don’t feel hungry for quite sometime. The amount of fat in a bowl of oats is only two grams; so you don’t feel guilty of eating unnecessary fat in your breakfast.

Go count KJ all you like but fat is the reason you get fat and when you consume fattie foods you get fat, oats are not fatty food so you cannot get fat unless you eat massive portions through the day.

I have 3 bowls of instant oats a day and i have not gained any weight, i have lost weight. Thinking a bowl of oats and a pack of rolo's is the same thing is very silly and you should google a bit more before claiming anything like that.

http://www.prohealthblog.com/nutrition/oatmeal-is-healthy-delicious-and-can-help-fatloss.html


All Starchy and sweet foods (even fruits) raise blood sugar quickly. When eaten they are rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream, causing a rise in the hormone insulin which acts to clear sugar and fat from the blood and to be stored in the tissues for future use. (this would be your fatty foods which cause sugar and fat to be stored Rolo's for instance)

The glycaemic index :
The glycaemic index (GI) is commonly used to rate carbohydrate-containing foods. The GI measures the rise in blood glucose levels. Foods are given a GI score out of 100 with glucose as the standard with a GI of 100. Foods that take longer to be absorbed are called ‘low GI’ (GI less than 55). Carbohydrates that offer a quick hit are called ‘high GI’ (GI greater than 70).

http://www.tvmasty.com/carbohydrates-do-they-cause-weight-gain/ just read this rather to understand the difference between foods that cause fat and foods that do not.

 

[Jonny Two Shoes]

AFAIK fat is really important in your diet so it's not a good idea to try avoid the stuff like it's a sin, you just need to manage it and keep it much lower than the other calories. You definately need to avoid Saturated fat as much as possible though - not good for cholesterol and not very healthy at all. If you want to lose weight eat healthy, eat regularly/often but smaller meals to sustain good metabolism, burn more calories than you consume every day and stay away from high carbs later in the evening. It's best to get those carbs earlier in the day to maintain your energy but if you eat it before you sleep that just converts to body fat.

This is as far as I know anyone can correct it.

I have the opposite goal - At the moment I'm trying to bulk so I try keep to a good ratio of calories 50/30/20 (Carbs, protein and fat) and I go big eating more than I usually do - this is something I will continue to do for about 10-14 weeks while every week slightly increasing what I eat and changing my routines to keep my body from getting too used to it until I am happy with what I see. Then when I start cutting I will try maintain the muscle mass while losing the body fat so this will involve some careful changes I will need to plan for. And so it will go on, bulk then cut then bulk then cut until I am happy. Hopefully this will work for me it ain't easy but I also keep logs of what I eat and my workout routine in order to manage it as I go along. Nothing too pedantic - I mean if I eat something now I simply record it later when I think back and it doesn't matter if I don't remember it 100%.

 

[JerryMungo]

Eish you really think eating rolo's and a bowl of oats is the same thing. Crazy.

No I don't and I explained the low GI thing already - the concept is simple - you eat less cos your body tells you you need less. If you ate a tube of rolos for brekkies you would still be hungry on the same Kj. BUT if you continued to eat oats all day you would certainly take in excess carbs that would go to your hips.

As for 3 bowls of instant oats - do you mean 3 sachets? What make?
If it's Oatso Easy then you are getting 150g oatso easy = 800Kj x3. That's 2400Kj for brekkies and thats manageable. Hardly eating it all day now are you?
If it's Bokomo instant oats then you are getting 105g Bokomo oats = 561Kj x3. That's 1683Kj. Less than a tube of rolos. And it's the most important meal of the day.

Instant oatmeal is a dish that does not have many calories. Though a portion of oatmeal has only 110 calories, it is a very filling dish. With a bowl of instant oatmeal, your hunger gets satisfied and you don’t feel hungry for quite sometime. The amount of fat in a bowl of oats is only two grams; so you don’t feel guilty of eating unnecessary fat in your breakfast.

Thats what he said! Low GI!
I think you would love to prove me wrong - try eating man sized portions of oats for brekkies for a month then come back - 150g at 7am and 150g at 10:30am. Have one more before supper at 3:30pm, then another at 8:30pm.

 

[killadoob]

Dude i am talking straight plain oats not oats so easy, i buy a box of rolled oats. Well i would say eating oats for breakie, then at 12 and then at 3 is pretty much eating oats all day and it gives me everything i need to get through the day with next to no fat.

The oats i buy are just oats that are flattened to make them instant with nothing added, oats so easy has sweetener and what not added. I can tell you without a doubt eating oats like i do is better than eating anything else.

Have you ever seen a fat vegetarian? Go ask people who struggle with weight how much oats nuts and fruit they eat, i can bet they eat next to none of those items. Do you think 1/3 of america's population is obese because they are consuming epic amounts of oats and fruit? Fatty refined sugary foods is the problem not oats, nuts and fruit .

Anyways keep believing oats and rolo's are the same thing, i will keep eating my 3 bowls of oats a day because i know it is not making me fat, if anything it helps me maintain and lose weight. I would not love to prove you wrong, to me it makes no difference but the links and info i have provided do prove you wrong in this case. Telling people that oats are the same as rolo's is just wrong on so many levels.

 

[blunomore]

As I said in previous posts, I agree with you on oats being good for you, and I eat it almost daily for breakfast.

Dude i am talking straight plain oats not oats so easy, i buy a box of rolled oats. Well i would say eating oats for breakie, then at 12 and then at 3 is pretty much eating oats all day and it gives me everything i need to get through the day with next to no fat.

Have you ever tried steel cut oats?

(Steel-cut oats are whole grain groats (the inner portion of the oat kernel) which have been cut into only two or three pieces by steel rather than being rolled. They are golden in color and resemble small rice pieces. Steel-cut oats are also known as coarse-cut oats, pinhead oats, or Irish oats. This form of oats takes longer to prepare than instant or rolled oats due to its minimal processing, typically 15-30 minutes to simmer (much less if pre-soaked). The flavor of the cooked product is described as being chewier and nuttier than instant oats. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel-cut_oats)

I do not like it AT ALL!

The oats i buy are just oats that are flattened to make them instant with nothing added, oats so easy has sweetener and what not added. I can tell you without a doubt eating oats like i do is better than eating anything else.

How do you eat the oats? As is? Or with Milk? Sugar?

Have you ever seen a fat vegetarian? Go ask people who struggle with weight how much oats nuts and fruit they eat, i can bet they eat next to none of those items. Do you think 1/3 of america's population is obese because they are consuming epic amounts of oats and fruit? Fatty refined sugary foods is the problem not oats and, nuts and fruit .

I have seen plenty overweight vegetarians - the reason is that they eat too much carbs.

By the way, killa, if you eat 3 x servings of oats per day, do you get a chance to eat other important foods, like fruit and veg ?

 

[JerryMungo]

Dude i am talking straight plain oats not oats so easy, i buy a box of rolled oats. Well i would say eating oats for breakie, then at 12 and then at 3 is pretty much eating oats all day and it gives me everything i need to get through the day with next to no fat.

Dude then why say instant oats? Instant oats <> raw oats! So you eat a portion of oats 3 times a day, but nothing else other than supper? How much do you eat at a sitting (in grams). You said anyone could eat oats all day and not get fat. Thats true for anything if you eat so little of it at a time. The secret is not in the oats, it's in the portion - any dietician will tell you that. Portion and low GI are the reason it works for you.

And again, you CAN get fat eating oats all day. It's loaded with carbohydrates. Fat is converted to carbs by your digestive system - there are just more Kj in fat because it's a complex molecule. Sugars from fruit can even make you fat. Ultimately your body takes carbs (sugars) and uses it for energy in your daily routine. If your daily routine includes little more than sitting around digesting food, then it will have to do something else with the excess carbs - that's how you body makes fat. Fat is made by your system from carbs NOT FAT
The reason eating alot of fat is bad, is becuase fat is complex, it breaks down into many many simple carbs and those simple carbs must be burned up or stored (as fat again). You can cut all fat out of your diet and still get fat by eating too much carbs. Your body doesn't care how it gets the excess carbs, it will always store them as fat. N.B. the word is EXCESS.

Of course fruit and oats are not our biggest enemies, portion control, processed foods, fats and general high GI foods are. BUT you can still get fat overeating oats, believe me lol. Portion control has two fold effect - one it prevents you from eating more than your body can process in a sitting. Two, it helps reduce the size of your stomach - you will feel full sooner. To lose weight / maintain good healthy eating habits, we should stop the over indulging at one sitting - like a typical weekend braai where you stuff yourself in one meal. Your body then gets excess in a short period and has to do something with it. Also, eating carbs before bed is bad since your body is at rest.

If you are bodybuilding with intent to bulk up you will put on a certain amount of fat, but only because you must eat in excess of your regular intake so that your body has the extra energy to build muscle. That's why competition bodybuilders go through bulking / cutting phases... you bulk up and then you lose the fat for definition. I can assure you, a competition bodybuilder does not get big by eating fatty steak, yet it's almost impossible to bulk without putting on fat - thats' because you eat large amounts of carbs with your protein intake to bulk... thats also why the need to go through a cut cycle before the big day where you reduce your CARB intake. BTW, during cutting as well as bulking, you do need a certain amount of fat - it's necessary for normal metabolism.

 

[killadoob]

Wait bluno i think i meant those vegan okes who just show fruit nuts etc.

I don't chow anything but oats and fruit in a day and i have a normal meal for dinner be it pasta or pizza or anything lekka . I eat water melon, grape fruit, oranges, apples and my fav raspberries ( damn expensive).

Of course if you eat high carbs foods like bread, pasta blah blah you will get fat but if you stick to oats fruits and nuts you will not gain weight. I only eat a nice meal at night or i tend to binge on shyte like chips and chocolates. Bluno the trouble with other oats is they take long to cook. Instant oats is easy pour some in a bowl, add water and chow. I add honey to my oats to give it a bit of sweet taste.

Eating carbs before bed time is not always bad, your body recharges at night so there is a conflicting evidence that suggests eating carbs and that sort of thing is not as bad as people have said it is.
Obviously eating a huge meal before bed time is not good but a small snack prior to sleep is not going to harm you. Eating oats before bed would be better than not eating. A small helping would be fine and there are times when i have sat watching champions league that i have had a bowl of oats during half time because i felt hungry.

 

[blunomore]

I don't chow anything but oats and fruit in a day and i have a normal meal for dinner be it pasta or pizza or anything lekka . I eat water melon, grape fruit, oranges, apples and my fav raspberries ( damn expensive).

Oh, OK, that sounds good.

 

[JerryMungo]

Wait bluno i think i meant those vegan okes who just show fruit nuts etc.

I don't chow anything but oats and fruit in a day and i have a normal meal for dinner be it pasta or pizza or anything lekka . I eat water melon, grape fruit, oranges, apples and my fav raspberries ( damn expensive).

Of course if you eat high carbs foods like bread, pasta blah blah you will get fat but if you stick to oats fruits and nuts you will not gain weight. I only eat a nice meal at night or i tend to binge on shyte like chips and chocolates. Bluno the trouble with other oats is they take long to cook. Instant oats is easy pour some in a bowl, add water and chow. I add honey to my oats to give it a bit of sweet taste.

Eating carbs before bed time is not always bad, your body recharges at night so there is a conflicting evidence that suggests eating carbs and that sort of thing is not as bad as people have said it is.
Obviously eating a huge meal before bed time is not good but a small snack prior to sleep is not going to harm you. Eating oats before bed would be better than not eating. A small helping would be fine and there are times when i have sat watching champions league that i have had a bowl of oats during half time because i felt hungry.

Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing that you are not eating properly, on the contrary, I think you are, but you are not eating oats all day like you suggested, it seems like you are eating decent portions of healthy food. Eating small portions all day is not the same as overeating all day and obviously you won't get fat. And I'm not saying Oats are bad and make you fat, on the contrary, it's probably one of the healthiest thing you can eat.

What you must take into account is that what works for you won't work for someone trying to put on a few kilos in the gym. Ultimately that person wants to put on weight with minimal fat overhead, so for that reason, eating carbs at night is not good. You should eat carbs at supper and no later unless you go for really low GI - skim milk is one of those. It doesn't hurt to have extra energy, but overdoing the carbs (particularly simple carbs) will mean that your body has excess energy and you will likely wake up feeling tired.

It's about what you are trying to achieve. It sounds like you are losing weight / maintaining weight - great. But consider the guy who needs to put on lean bulk. Thats what 90% of this thread is about (hence the name).

 

[killadoob]

I am eating oats all day, now for someone with a weight problem maybe all day means huge portions of oats every hour . For me oats and fruit is my staple diet at the moment and eating oats and fruit all day as i do will not make me fat.

It is just about the right things basically and knowing what you can eat 3 times a day, i have only argued this so much because when i heard you compare a bowl of oats to a rolo i thought WTF that is not right. If i ate 3 rolo's a day i would get fat without a doubt because it has loads of fat in it .

http://www.thedietchannel.com/Good-Carbs-Vs-Bad-Carbs-How-To-Pick-The-Best-Carbs-For-Your-Diet.htm

This is very good and basically says exactly i am about oats for instance, you should look up good carb food and bad carb food.

* Fruits
* Vegetables
* Whole grain foods

Complex carbs

Anyways all i know is fruits and oats are better than that choccie or bag chips and when you feel like kuk food have a bowl of oats or fruit .

 

[JerryMungo]

...eating oats and fruit all day as i do will not make me fat.

I think we agree - the operatives in bold italics.

It is just about the right things basically and knowing what you can eat 3 times a day, i have only argued this so much because when i heard you compare a bowl of oats to a rolo i thought WTF that is not right. If i ate 3 rolo's a day i would get fat without a doubt because it has loads of fat in it .

Loads of high GI sugar you mean.

http://www.thedietchannel.com/Good-Carbs-Vs-Bad-Carbs-How-To-Pick-The-Best-Carbs-For-Your-Diet.htm

This is very good and basically says exactly i am about oats for instance, you should look up good carb food and bad carb food.

* Fruits
* Vegetables
* Whole grain foods

Complex carbs

Anyways all i know is fruits and oats are better than that choccie or bag chips and when you feel like kuk food have a bowl of oats or fruit .

Yep - good vs bad carbs - not fat. Fat in itself turns into carbs. Of course eating fat is bad, but rolos are loaded with simple (high GI) sugar which is why they are bad.
But even eating too much of the right stuff can make you fat - it's what your body does with spare energy. Of course it's easier to have a bar of choc in addition to your regular chow, thats the main reason it's so bad... it's not as easy to have a bowl of oats in addition to your regular chow... or it's not as tempting - for various reasons.

 

[xrapidx]

So - the guys that went on ECA stack- what were your results?

That bad huh?

 

[killadoob]

Rapid i got better results on animal cuts dude, That is the bloody shyte!!!!!!!! Expensive but by far the best fat burner on the market.

 

[xrapidx]

Rapid i got better results on animal cuts dude, That is the bloody shyte!!!!!!!! Expensive but by far the best fat burner on the market.

Whats it go for?

 

[killadoob]

About 690 at dischem.

 

[Lawnchairman]

recovery

What can I do to spped up recovery of muscles. My arms are sore and almost locked. Full of lactic acid. Dont want Voltaren Injections but use the gel and then it messes the training routine cause I cant do other body parts cause I need my arms.sore on the sides of the elbows.