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Thanks, I will see how it goes. Bear in mind this isn't just slight dizziness. It's pretty severe in that I honestly don't know if I might fall over if I have an episode. Wouldn't want to land face first or have my head make contact with some gym equipment if I lose my balance completely. Last time this occurred was 3 months ago, and it went away after a few days. The catalyst for that onset of vertigo might have been an overly vigorous bout of Wii boxing :o

Will try to eat regular meals at work. It is sometimes so hectic at work that I don't get to eat regularly. That must stop though, as it seems certain my health is starting to suffer due to work.
 
I was planning on visiting an ENT ASAP this week but I suspect the problem might go away on it's own in a couple of days again.

I used to get dizzy spells after intense workouts, sometimes i'd even struggle to see and things would get blurry.
This usually occurred 30min after a workout, so I started eating anything with "carbs" (honey on toast, pieces of dried fruit) after my workout with half my protein shake, I'd then hit the shower and finish the protein shake.

30min later I would eat my supper of lean meat and veg.

Never had dizzy bouts since i started this routine.
 
Hi everyone. I recently started gyming and have bought Evox Whey Protein and Cipla pre workout. I have seen something called ZMA Testo Boost from USN. Would this help me a bit or is it a marketing thing? Is the Protein and the pre workout enough? Does any of you use it?

Don't want to be a body builder, but would like to enlarge my muscles and get some definition going.
 
I used to get dizzy spells after intense workouts, sometimes i'd even struggle to see and things would get blurry.
This usually occurred 30min after a workout, so I started eating anything with "carbs" (honey on toast, pieces of dried fruit) after my workout with half my protein shake, I'd then hit the shower and finish the protein shake.

30min later I would eat my supper of lean meat and veg.

Never had dizzy bouts since i started this routine.
Thanks, it's possibly a combination of factors for me. Had food poisoning about 6 days before the dizziness hit, plus lack of sleep, crappy eating and too much work! I feel very under the weather still. Going to take it easy until I feel better in case it's some virus I have.
 
@Flip-Flop, as a beginner check this out. I have the rest on email but I see that the site is now down...

http://www.muscleevolution.co.za/index.php/articles/supplements/404-supplement-pyramid-pg1
By Hilton Preen – Muscle Science
With so many supplements available on today's shelves it is relatively easy to appreciate that the most commonly asked question when it comes to bodybuilding is: “What supplements should I be using?” Supplement claims are loosely controlled by government agencies and most supplement manufacturers tend to overstate the benefits of their supplements. With the solution simply being to ignore the name of the supplement and look at the ingredients listed on the back of the label in order to understand what it is, I hope that this article provides the information that you need to figure out the known benefits of these supplements and categorise them according to the level of performance at which you are at.

Coming up with a chart that describes all the supplements on the market was a daunting task as there are so many products and different reasons for using them. After much research I put together this product guide and supplement pyramid to help you make a sensible choice on your supplement purchases, and to prevent you from wasting money by using the incorrect combinations, or using the wrong product. We understand that economics is a real concern when choosing your supplement plan, so I placed them in order of importance with the products at the lower level of the pyramid being your first choice. With that said, these products will have the greatest impact on results.

I’m not sure if you are familiar with the government’s food pyramid, but basically it places all the foods you should eat the most, at the bottom. These are listed as breads and cereals whilst foods you should eat the least of - like fat, oils and sweets are listed at the top. My supplement pyramid is based on a similar concept. The products or foods at the lower level should be consumed primarily before the products on the upper levels. The choice of product for each level was based on the impact that a product will have on results, for example, if you had a supplement budget, you wouldn’t buy a workout booster before you bought a multi-vitamin. Even though it may seem more appealing, lacking in any essential nutrient will severely affect your results. The same applies to purchasing testosterone boosters when your protein intake is insufficient. If you don’t have enough protein, additional nutrients will not help. In most cases the most glamorous products such as pre-workout amplifiers receive the most advertising space and will have more appeal, but something as boring as a multi-vitamin may offer far more benefit, and this is why it is important to understand the different between fact and marketing hype.
beginner

LEVEL ONE: (BASICS)
BEGINNER-LESS THAN 6 MONTHS EXPERIENCE
Protein, carbs, essential nutrients and fats, exercise and a positive attitude
As a beginner, you need to get the basics right before you can progress through the pyramid. Included in this level are foods, specific products and activities that are vital to your success and will have a major impact on results. Included in this level are foods and products that include food (protein, carbs and fats) and essential nutrients, as well as basics like attitude and exercise.

Protein
Although the importance of protein is often overstated, not having enough of it will severely affect results. In fact you will lose muscle. Based on scientific research, you need at least 2g of protein per kilogram of bodyweight. You may hear of some bodybuilders eating more, but that is based on personal preference and not science. Once the body’s protein needs are met, the additional protein will be stored as fat or used as energy.

Choice of protein
Your choice of protein also affects your protein requirements. Using lower quality proteins like soy, rice and beans may require a higher protein intake. The highest quality protein is whey.
Carbohydrates, fruits and vegetables
Carbs have received so much bad press over the years. Nevertheless, carbs are still your principle source of energy and are vital to boosting performance. A recent (Bergman, J Hermansen, L Hultman, E Saltin, B 188) shows a 225% increase in performance over subjects on a low carb diet. Workout intensity and volume is directly related to the amount of available glycogen you’ve stored. Sluggish workouts result in insufficient stimulus for muscle growth. Research shows at least 3g per kg of bodyweight is needed for optimal performance.

Types of carbs
It is important to choose carb sources of good quality keeping sugars and sweets to an absolute minimum.

Essential nutrients and fats
It is virtually impossible to get all the essential nutrients like vitamins, minerals and essential fats from food alone, this is a medical fact. The AMA (American Medical Association) has recommended that each adult should take one multi vitamin a day. People supplement to overcome dietary shortcomings. Diets can be deficient due to numerous conditions:

Insufficient food intake
Increased nutritional needs that are not met by food alone
Lack of essential food grouping
Low body fat maintenance
Inability to define the perfect diet by professional and the general population
Unknown variable of actual nutrient content of food.
Vitamins, minerals and essential fats are involved in 1000’s of reactions in the body and being deficient in any single nutrient will severely affect your health.

Products that fall in to this category:
Weight Gainers/Meal Replacements
Weight Gainers/Meal Replacements has been added to this lower level because it supplies all the essential nutrients needed to build muscle, including additional calories. It includes high quality protein, carbs and calories. Weight Gainers/Meal Replacements can be used as a pre or post workout drink or anytime during the day as a meal supplement.

Multi-Vitamin/Essential Fatty Acids
Multi-Vitamin/Essential Fatty Acids supplies all the essential nutrients and fats the body needs to stave off disease and function optimally.

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CONTINUED, end of the article

SUMMARY
This article should help you choose the correct supplements based on your fitness level as well as economics. With so many products on the market, it is difficult to decide what to take.
Level One includes good nutrition, exercise and a positive attitude. Most good meal replacement products/protein powders fall into this category as they are food in a powder form. It is very easy to make a case for meal replacements, protein bars and shakes because they are food. Vitamins, minerals and essential fats also fall into this category because they come from food. As I mentioned, taking a multi-vitamin and essential fat supplement is good insurance against deficiencies.
Level Two starts with the addition of some well researched products that will have a major impact on results. Creatine, Glutamine and Branch Chain amino's have been around for over a decade and have proven themselves in the lab as well as the gym. You can’t go wrong with these products.
At Level Three we start pushing the envelope a little and try to maximise all mechanisms for growth. Boosting testosterone and workout intensity is something an advanced athlete would be trying to achieve.
Level Four is competition time. As mentioned, the nutritional needs of a competitive athlete are far different to an off-season athlete. The body is placed under severe mental and physical stress. Maximum potential during high level competition involves exploiting all available resources within healthful guidelines. This requires additional products to support the competitive athlete.

CONCLUSION
The next time you purchase a supplement, decide on your fitness level, look at the products potential benefit and see if it fits in your supplement stack.
Sample Supplement Stack:
Beginner (start with) Multi Vitamin Mineral
Essential Fatty Acid
Mass Buider/Meal Replacement
Intermediate (add) Hardcore Mass Builder
Creatine based products
Branch Chain Amino Acids
Glutamine
Advanced (add) Workout Boosters
Testosterone boosting products Tribulus, ZMA, Methoxy Sterone
Competition (add) Whey Protein or Casein
Vitamin C
Hardcore Fat Burners
 
This used to be R599, at least on the Nutritech website.

How did you get the free Amplify added to your order?

I get an email every work day, with "special" of the day, this one was spend over R1000 and get the free Amplify.
Last time it was spend over R1000 and I got free lifting straps.
 
No problem. It would appear that ZMA and pre-workout boosters are for the advanced guys. Rather save your money for clean food sources and other essentials.

Oh well. I have already bought the Cipla pre-workout so I might as well use it. I see it contains Creatine which is good for gyming? I will just stick to what I have already bought and see how it goes. Appart from the fact that this entire long weekend I had to walk on my toes and keep my knees slightly bent else it felt like my calf muscle was going to tear I am really enjoying it so far. Yesterday did arms, chest and back so today I am walking like a gorilla.
 
Agreed. Not quite sure what it takes to become a successful long distance runner. Mind over matter...
 
Friend messaged me and said tonight we doing legs and abs again, and he is going to get me started with squats. I don't know how I am going to manage. I still have to keep my arms bent at a 90 degree angle at the elbow for it not to cause me severe pain.

I think I might take up prayer again.
 
Friend messaged me and said tonight we doing legs and abs again, and he is going to get me started with squats. I don't know how I am going to manage. I still have to keep my arms bent at a 90 degree angle at the elbow for it not to cause me severe pain.

I think I might take up prayer again.
Why tempt fate? If your body is saying no, why force it and risk injury? Recovery is the most important component of building muscle.
 
Hi everyone. I recently started gyming and have bought Evox Whey Protein and Cipla pre workout. I have seen something called ZMA Testo Boost from USN. Would this help me a bit or is it a marketing thing? Is the Protein and the pre workout enough? Does any of you use it?

Don't want to be a body builder, but would like to enlarge my muscles and get some definition going.

Dude, most probably its Zinc, with magnesium and not sure what the A stands for, Zinc is known to "help" with raising your testosterone, but in all honesty, NON of the natural test boosters work, you can drink them for now, nothing will happen, most probably the zinc will be more beneficial for your skin than muscle building ;-), rather don't waste your money on crap like this again, stay with a good diet, Creatine, Glutamine and BCAA's.
 
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