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Fuark yeah! My frustration at Telkom made me hit 2 new PR's.

65 kg close grip bench
40kg skullcrusher

It was awesome. I felt like screaming every single rep. My triceps feel broken rawr!
 
lol @ IS :p

I popped by dischem tonight and told the USN guy there that I was looking for an alternative to Evox 100% Whey. He said 100% Whey can't be used to build muscle and I need something with carbs in it. I understand one needs carbs, and I get those through real food. I guess he assumed I was a supplement junkie? I explained I'd rather get my carbs from food and he said yeah sure I could do that.

I said can't I eat bananas with my whey protein then as a source of carbs. He said pre-workout yes, but not post workout because of the potassium in them because it would (block repair or something?).

He was punting USN's protein+carb+BCAA+creatine mixes. I have all that stuff separately so I'll hold off for now. Apparently all the USN products in black containers are made in the USA or UK. Products in white containers are made in SA. I wonder does that mean the US/UK USN stuff is better than the SA made stuff?

He also said that HCL creatine (USN and Evox brands) don't require one to drink a lot of water like creatine mono does.
http://www.mrsupplement.com.au/creatine-hcl-hydrochloride
Creatine HCL is the most soluble form of creatine on the market. As a result, creatine HCL may be far more bioavailable and readily absorbed than creatine monohydrate. This means that creatine HCL is essentially a super concentrated form of creatine, and a much smaller dose is needed to achieve the same effect in regards to strength and muscle gain. Furthermore, only needing a tiny amount eliminates the need to drink large quantities of fluid.
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kolaval said:
I'm on nutritech pure whey vanilla after some help on this forum. Esp with regards to the amount of protein per serving and serving size.

It mixes easy but not so tasty.
I don't know how it compares to ON however.

And its about R500 x 2.5kg bag from http://www.chromeshop.co.za/brands/nutritech.html?limit=all
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I'm confused now. If I'm looking to add lean muscle mass should i change to taking a mass builder with lots of carbs, pre and post workout? I would probably halve the dosage as I only weigh 60kg.

http://www.chromeshop.co.za/brands/nutritech/anabolic-mass-builder-1-500kg.html
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I duno, Tinuva would be the person to answer that.

What I do see is:
ANABOLIC MASS BUILDER:
Serving size 120g = 45g protein + 60g carbs(sugar?) + 3g fat

100% PURE WHEY
Serving size 30g = 24g protein + 2g carbs(sugar?) + 1g fat
So the 100% whey easily beats the anabolic with the ratio of protien+carbs+fat per serving, and creatine is available from every brand quite cheaply.
 
StrontiumDog said:
I'm confused now. If I'm looking to add lean muscle mass should i change to taking a mass builder with lots of carbs, pre and post workout? I would probably halve the dosage as I only weigh 60kg.

http://www.chromeshop.co.za/brands/nutritech/anabolic-mass-builder-1-500kg.html
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IMO mass gainers are terrible:

1. They taste like schitt
2. They leave you feeling bloated and they kill appetite
3. Most of the carbs are sugar carbs - You might as well just eat a doughnut

I scrapped the mass-gainers ages ago and I've never looked back. Stick with a good multi-source protein during the day (Evox Synergy is my recommendation) and use a 100% Whey post workout in a smoothie with some fruit. I just use synergy as well, except I add avo, berries, bananas etc.
 
100% pure whey vs mass gainer. It really depends on what your goal is to be honest.

Do you want to stay where you are or cut? Go for 100% pure whey, easiest way is to keep your protein intake high without spiking carbs too much.
Do you want to bulk up? Then go for a mass gainer.

Mass gainer is the easiest (note, not to say it is the best) way to up your calorie intake while trying to gain mass or bulk up, and you find it hard to eat enough food to keep the calories high enough force your body to grow muscle.

What you need to keep in mind, if you use a mass gainer without enough exercise, you will get fat. If you do enough exercise you will gain both fat and muscle. The idea is, you have to go big and gain a alot of both, then afterwards you go into a cut cycle. Then you rinse and repeat. Bulk -> Cut -> Bulk -> Cut seems to be the fastest way to build the physique most men want.

Hope that answers your question. It is mostly from reading what guys say that have gotten the physique, I am not there yet exactly, so I am just relaying from what I have seen the successful guys say, but since I am not there yet take it with a pinch of salt :P

Edit: I have to add this. Protein is important ingredient that helps repair muscle and build muscle, but building muscle requires energy, and if you don't have enough energy, your body also won't build muscle, so that is why you need to the carbohydrates, to give your body energy to do the building work using the protein. Now you need a surplus energy, and that is why you also will gain fat.

Carbohydrates are only bad if you want to stay at your current body weight or cut, which is when you eat them at a deficit, so that your body is forced to go take energy from fat stores or even muscle sadly. Exercise is still used to keep your body from using the muscle stores first, but rather last, because it keeps the muscle size 90% in check.
 
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StrontiumDog said:
lol @ IS :p
Apparently all the USN products in black containers are made in the USA or UK. Products in white containers are made in SA. I wonder does that mean the US/UK USN stuff is better than the SA made stuff?
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The black bottles is the "extreme" edition, they have much more kick than the white bottles, but do not use them continuously. The white bottles are for everyday usage.

I'm on the USN Phedra Cut atm, black bottle, and man is it potent. Have lost around 4kg in 3 weeks so far, but be careful with the stuff. It thins the blood something fierce and I had a nosebleed in the first week because of this and I'm not even on max dosage. The guy who put me onto it clearly warned me to not use it for prolonged periods. Use one bottle, give it a break for a while. As I understand it the white bottles are for everyday use.

I might be wrong since USN is not well documented, but that is what was told me.
 
Slootvreter said:
Or when people gather around to watch you pull a 280kg deadlift....wait....that makes me a bit nervous :o
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Hate that feeling :p

I haven't deadlifted since hurting my back in Feb - started again this week, only managed 120kg for 3 - feels bad - 2 plates a side.
 
Tinuva said:
100% pure whey vs mass gainer. It really depends on what your goal is to be honest.

Do you want to stay where you are or cut? Go for 100% pure whey, easiest way is to keep your protein intake high without spiking carbs too much.
Do you want to bulk up? Then go for a mass gainer.
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I wanna add lean muscle mass without turning into the Pillsbury Doughboy :p

Tinuva said:
Mass gainer is the easiest (note, not to say it is the best) way to up your calorie intake while trying to gain mass or bulk up, and you find it hard to eat enough food to keep the calories high enough force your body to grow muscle.

What you need to keep in mind, if you use a mass gainer without enough exercise, you will get fat.
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Yip, well currently i eat less on days where i have not been to gym in the last 48 hours. I find my appetite naturally regulates this now. I am only "eating clean" about a third of the time now. Everyday snacking on either rusks, or ice cream or Doritos. Eating a fair bit of carbs, like ProNutro for breakfast and often have oven baked chips with my protein source (beef, ostrich, chicken, fish). Instant noodles and eggs if i feel for it. Frankly just got tired of eating clean, but that is probably due to a lack of creativity and laziness. Body stats staying the same, not getting fat that is. In the best shape of my life (as lean as I have ever been and with more muscle). Do feel I will gain muscle slowly now that i am back at gym and trying to go every 2 to 3 days.

Tinuva said:
If you do enough exercise you will gain both fat and muscle. The idea is, you have to go big and gain a alot of both, then afterwards you go into a cut cycle. Then you rinse and repeat. Bulk -> Cut -> Bulk -> Cut seems to be the fastest way to build the physique most men want.
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Yeah, i wanna go the route of eating just a little bit above maintenance. Really don't wanna balloon up!

Tinuva said:
Hope that answers your question. It is mostly from reading what guys say that have gotten the physique, I am not there yet exactly, so I am just relaying from what I have seen the successful guys say, but since I am not there yet take it with a pinch of salt :P

Edit: I have to add this. Protein is important ingredient that helps repair muscle and build muscle, but building muscle requires energy, and if you don't have enough energy, your body also won't build muscle, so that is why you need to the carbohydrates, to give your body energy to do the building work using the protein. Now you need a surplus energy, and that is why you also will gain fat.
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OK, so I am a little wary of mass gainers now. If i want to err on the side of caution then I should stick to a good whey protein and source my carbs from real foods?

Tinuva said:
Carbohydrates are only bad if you want to stay at your current body weight or cut, which is when you eat them at a deficit, so that your body is forced to go take energy from fat stores or even muscle sadly. Exercise is still used to keep your body from using the muscle stores first, but rather last, because it keeps the muscle size 90% in check.
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Since I am trying to gain mass, would you say then I should definitely take a pre-workout shake (high protein, low carbs) to prevent muscle catabolism and to give me more energy during the workout?

I've not been using creatine this winter. Too cold to drink lots of water :(
 
StrontiumDog said:
Yeah, i wanna go the route of eating just a little bit above maintenance. Really don't wanna balloon up!
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See, what you don't know is this: Most of those guys with excellent physiques you see in magazines ect, had to go this route, where the bulk up and look like a "balloon" as you call it, and then go on a massive cut before the photoshoot. Looking 365 dats a year, like they do in the photos in magazines is very impractical and probably unhealthy too.

StrontiumDog said:
OK, so I am a little wary of mass gainers now. If i want to err on the side of caution then I should stick to a good whey protein and source my carbs from real foods?
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Look you don't have to be wary, just make sure you use them correctly. Ie. work out how many calories you need to take in for where you are now to maintain, and then if you need to bulk, use the mass gainer after working out how far above maintenance you need to be. If you find it hard to use food for the amount of carbs you need, then use a mass gainer to make it easier.

StrontiumDog said:
Since I am trying to gain mass, would you say then I should definitely take a pre-workout shake (high protein, low carbs) to prevent muscle catabolism and to give me more energy during the workout?
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I personally think, when gaining mass, you are going to eat far enough above maintenance calories intake, so you will have enough energy for the workout. When you go on a cut, you won't have enough energy for the workout, and thus you will need a pre-workout to stay at the same level of a workout that you would have when eating above maintenance levels. What I don't understand is, is why people want to use pre-workouts to boost energy levels when they on a bulk, when they actually should get in more energy from food ect to help. So in my opinion, if you need a pre-workout energy boost while bulking, you are simply put: not eating enough.
 
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