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Im looking for a post workout recovery drink.
I am not interested in bulking up whatsoever, I just need something to help me recover from my workouts in the morning so that I can play squash in the evenings.

Any recommendations?

Hi Syntax

If you do a proper workout in the morning you will always be fatigued at night with extra cardio. One of the reasons might be your diet - you need to get enough good carbs during the day, especially after gym (if it is in the morning like you do).

But the main reason you will experience fatigue is because your Glycogen levels are depleted from your workout. You need to replace your Glycogen levels as soon as you leave the gym or you will battle with the evening's squash. The best supplement to replace Glycogen levels is L Glutamine.

You will need a blender for your shake. I don't know what facilities you have available during the day for mixing shakes. If it is difficult at work build your shake before you leave home and make enough for the day's requirement.

Your post workout shake should consist of Protein, L Glutamine (a lot of it, minimum 5 grams), Dextrose (to spike your insulin levels and to start muscle repairs immediately) and at least 50 - 80 grams of raw oats. That is why you need the blender. Put everything in the blender with about 340 ml of water. The raw oats will be so fine you wont even taste it and you save the time of preparing the oats.

And do the same shake WITHOUT the dextrose an hour before squash and before your morning workout. Never take in any sugars (like Dextrose) before your workout or training program. For your shake before squash you can take around 50 grams of oats.

It is all cheap and natural products, and they are all available on our site BSSA

Let me know how it goes!
 
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Evox cookies and cream is one of the most disgusting foul effing things i have ever tasted, ever :sick:

I find it's the only one I like... Well the Evox Synergy cookies and cream. Tastes nothing like cookies and cream, but it doesn't taste bad at all.

I tried SSN's cookies and cream flavour, and I ended up binning half of it.

I've heard ON's vanilla whey is delicious. I might give it a try when I run out of the Synergy.
 
Ondier you must have made a mix up. Glutamine does not replenish glycogen levels. Glutamine is an amino acid used in muscle metabolism. Glycogen is a chain of glucose molecules. Glucose/sugar/simple carbs replenish glycogen.
 
Any recomendations for a gym? Im getting quotes from R500 and then into space.... Doesnt work well for student. Something near seapoint area pref?

And no, not that free outdoor gym :p
 
Ondier you must have made a mix up. Glutamine does not replenish glycogen levels. Glutamine is an amino acid used in muscle metabolism. Glycogen is a chain of glucose molecules. Glucose/sugar/simple carbs replenish glycogen.

Hi Sensorei

Thanks for the post ;) That is why I suggested Syntax must use a simple sugar after workout like Dextrose to get an insulin spike to cause his liver to convert glucose in to Glycogen. Maybe I didn't come over correctly, sorry. I said it replaces Glycogen levels but I didn't mean it converts to Glycogen if that was how it sounded. What I meant was it accelerates and promotes Glycogen production / synthesis.

So it aids in the replacement by speeding the process up.

I quote from AST Sport Science, April 21 2011:
"Glutamine for hyper-glycogen storage! When, how and how much?

April 21st, 2011 By AST Sports Science Filed Under: Articles

Now get this, research shows an 8-gram dose of glutamine directly after exercise promotes the same glycogen storage effect as consuming 61-grams of glucose! Glutamine appears to be incredibly effective for increasing muscle energy stores without adding any extra calories. Obviously, this research has important implications for all athletes looking to build lean mass and enhance performance and looks to especially important for those on calorie-restricted diets.

Glucose is the primary fuel that powers all intense forms of exercise. Think of glycogen as a fuel source for glucose and your muscle as your glycogen storage tank. Taking L-Glutamine directly after intense training appears to enhance the muscle glycogen refueling process and increases the amount of muscle energy stored and available. Just as important is that it does so without adding any extra calories.

Now not only does glutamine create a hyper-glycogen storage environment within muscle, it also increases whole-body glycogen synthesis when used with glucose. Utilizing a glucose “tracer” technique, scientists were able to follow the ingested glucose and results revealed that combining glutamine with glucose provides greater whole-body glycogen synthesis than glucose or glutamine alone. The addition of glutamine to a glucose solution ensured greater non-oxidative disappearance of glucose, suggesting that more glycogen was stored within muscle tissue and the liver. Greater glycogen storage means you have more muscle fuel for training and increased muscle cell volume.

For building lean mass I recommend combining 8 to 10 grams of L-Glutamine mixed with 1 serving of DGC (Dextrose blend) and 1 serving of Whey Isolate immediately after weight training. This stack will quickly replenish depleted glycogen stores and trigger a powerful anabolic effect within muscle. This will activate a higher rate of protein synthesis and accelerated muscle accrual.

After every Cardio session immediately take 8 to 10 grams of L-Glutamine mixed in cold water or other non-caloric drink. This is an especially opportune time to take advantage of glutamine's anabolic potential. With this technique you quickly replenish glycogen stores within your muscles without the expense of extra calories. You take full advantage of the metabolic enhancement from Cardio while also activating the anabolic process within muscle. You magnify Cardio's fat burning effects while maintaining and even increasing your body's anabolic activity."

Cheers cheers
 
Went back to doing squats today after not doing them for months. Even the warm up with just the bar was uncomfortable (bad knees). Embarassing how weak my quads are cause after 3 sets at 66% of my bodyweight I had to call it quits! I got too wobbly and the knees were not happy :(

Will keep at it and things are sure to improve over time!
 
That doesn't mean your quads are weak. I also struggle with squats lately, but can leg press over 500kg with ease. Leg extensions as well, max out the machine at VA. (although I've been told to stop doing them)
 
That doesn't mean your quads are weak. I also struggle with squats lately, but can leg press over 500kg with ease. Leg extensions as well, max out the machine at VA. (although I've been told to stop doing them)
Oh ok, well I guess my supporting / stabilising muscles around the knee are weak. So I'm guessing it highlights the need to keep doing squats to keep my knees healthy and happy.
 
Google it, you won't be disappointed.

Does that whey taste anything like the Evox Cookies & Cream?

I tried USN vanilla and Evox Cookies and Cream, one won't even blend, the other tastes like crap (imo)

Maybe I just can't take the taste of whey. But I will try nutritech next time.

Ordered from chromeshop Tuesday, and delivered this morning, I've ordered from them multiple times and they have yet to take longer than 3 days to deliver to Cape Town.
 
Oh ok, well I guess my supporting / stabilising muscles around the knee are weak. So I'm guessing it highlights the need to keep doing squats to keep my knees healthy and happy.

I recon I have the same problem - if I provide light support to my knees in leg press I can go considerably heavier... unfortunately, I can't do that squating :p

e.g. unassisted on leg press I can go up 275kg for 10 reps - from there on I just support my outer knee with my hands, and can go into the 400s for 10 reps.

Yet I'm struggling with a 100kg squat for 4.
 
Like typical guys we all trying to outdo each other instead of building our bodies in balance :p

Dude next to me was squatting about 100kg, but he was doing quarter squats. Not my place to ask him :wtf: he was doing though :p
 
Like typical guys we all trying to outdo each other instead of building our bodies in balance :p

Dude next to me was squatting about 100kg, but he was doing quarter squats. Not my place to ask him :wtf: he was doing though :p

Quarter squats I've never gotten the point of, you look like you're having a fit, there are two guys in my gym that load the bar with up to 200kg and literally move about 10cm up and down - and then tell you they squat 200kg for reps.

I either do just below parallel - or ATG - at the moment I'm doing just below parallel, STILL recovering from injury, and found ATG aggravates it.
 
there are two guys in my gym that load the bar with up to 200kg and literally move about 10cm up and down - and then tell you they squat 200kg for reps.

Yeah that's totally different to guys loading big weight on a leg press machine and then using their hands to help their legs and later telling everyone what big numbers they do on leg press.

http://gawker.com/5890472/do-not-brag-about-your-leg-press-sucka
http://www.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_900/993_worst-gym-machines.html
http://www.prevention.com/fitness/fitness-tips/10-most-useless-exercise-machines

Enjoy your lower back while you can.

ah wait

STILL recovering from injury, and found ATG aggravates it.

recovering you say. and it's the squats... the natural human movement, not the rigid angles of a machine.

If you want to fix your back, start doing assisted bodyweight squats. Stand next to a chair and use your hands on that until you can do them properly... or laugh, scoff, go on... keep on recovering.
 
Yeah that's totally different to guys loading big weight on a leg press machine and then using their hands to help their legs and later telling everyone what big numbers they do on leg press.

http://gawker.com/5890472/do-not-brag-about-your-leg-press-sucka
http://www.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_900/993_worst-gym-machines.html
http://www.prevention.com/fitness/fitness-tips/10-most-useless-exercise-machines

Enjoy your lower back while you can.

ah wait



recovering you say. and it's the squats... the natural human movement, not the rigid angles of a machine.

If you want to fix your back, start doing assisted bodyweight squats. Stand next to a chair and use your hands on that until you can do them properly... or laugh, scoff, go on... keep on recovering.

The bio and doc have given me the go ahead with squats and leg press last week - but I suppose you're way more qualified than them, and have done all the relevant tests on me to know exactly what my problem is/was.

If you think supporting the outside of your knees when doing leg press allows you to lift 400kg more - I'd love to know the theory on how placing inward pressure allows this? If you're refering to pressing upwards on the knees - thats not what I said, but again, I must have massive upper body strength to press 200+300kg with my upper body.


I suppose you're one of the quarter squat guys, hence the offence.
 
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