The Brexit Thread

[Temujin]

The real world is not on your facebook feed

 

[SoldierMan]

Corbyn says he takes responsibility for the loss, but then goes on to say that his policies were just fine and had nothing to do with the loss

It's Labour's own fault though, they knew he was unpopular but they voted him in twice.
They also voted in the Ed Miliband instead of his brother David because Ed was more left leaning, but David was the more popular amongst voters, so they just keep on shooting themselves in the foot. Seems the people don't want leftist socialist leaning leaders.

 

[The Voice]

The real world is not on your facebook feed

He usually hits the nail on the head. Labour going far Left and alienating the White working class up north with their radical policies cost them this election. As did basically calling any of their supporters who voted Leave neanderthals. Again, there wasn't much sway in the major cities where they've always had strong support - ethnic minorities and immigrants, who almost always vote Labour, tend to amass in city suburbs.

They got done by the areas that had relied on Labour for decades (and that Labour had thought were bankers so didn't need any attention), but had seen no recent progress, and didn't like the shift when Momentum introduced their far Left shift, as well as putting Corbyn forward as their leader.

I don't think Labour fully realises just how badly it's ****ed up to force people who had voted for it for 50+ years to switch allegiances completely. Note they didn't even vote LibDem - they went the complete opposite way and turned the north blue.

 

[Ancalagon]

Yeah, some very interesting stuff has happened recently.

A few things come to mind. If you read the liberal media (the BBC, the Guardian, most of twitter), Boris Johnson is the worst thing to ever happen to the UK and a literal Nazi who worships Adolf Hitler. But then 45% of the country voted for him. So clearly that's a lie. Clearly the UK is not as Liberal or as left leaning as the liberal media would like you to believe - because if it was, Boris would never have won.

Boris went in there with an unapologetically pro Leave and pro right wing message, and won. He got 45% of the vote. Even with people knowing he is dishonest, he won, and yet everyone is so shocked like OMG how did this happen. 4.5 people out of 10 voted for him, that's how. Walk past 10 strangers on the street - at least 4 of them voted for Boris.

And yet the liberal media is screaming like he's the worst thing ever.

Another interesting thing - Farage was willing to stand aside to let Tory candidates win. He did this in 317 constituencies to avoid diluting the pro leave vote. But Swinson and Corbyn were not willing to do this. Swinson especially - so opposed to Brexit, and yet she could have formed a pact with Corbyn which they didn't oppose each other, with the Lib Dems being allowed to campaign for remain during a second referendum. But no, Swinson wasn't willing to do this, so guess what, they lost.

It shows you - Farage had little to no personal ambition, he just wanted Brexit to get done. Swinson went off on her high horse, wasn't willing to cut a deal, and they dumped her out of her own constituency. Now she sits with a mond vol tande.

 

[The Voice]

So, back to the original topic: Brexit.

With a majority, there is practically nothing standing in BoJo's way to get us out by 31 January 2020, with all other loose ends being tied up by the end of next year. There's talk of it being a free trade agreement - what the terms are is anyone's guess, though.

 

[C4Cat]

So, back to the original topic: Brexit.

With a majority, there is practically nothing standing in BoJo's way to get us out by 31 January 2020, with all other loose ends being tied up by the end of next year. There's talk of it being a free trade agreement - what the terms are is anyone's guess, though.

I should bloody well hope so, everyone is tired of Brexit now, it is long past time to get it the process going. I get the feeling (or maybe it's just wishful thinking) that the Brexit negotiations will result in a much softer Brexit than many 'brexiteers' are hoping for. Boris not only has a strong mandate for Brexit but he also has a strong mandate for a softer Brexit, given that the Brexit party got no seats.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

So, back to the original topic: Brexit.

With a majority, there is practically nothing standing in BoJo's way to get us out by 31 January 2020, with all other loose ends being tied up by the end of next year. There's talk of it being a free trade agreement - what the terms are is anyone's guess, though.

Unfortunately the French and Spanish are already demanding access to UK waters as a precondition to start trade talks and the EU have already said the Dec 2020 deadline is "tight". I unfortunately see an extension coming...

 

[Ancalagon]

I don't mind an extension - I think one is actually likely. At least now things are moving forward, and the government has enough of a majority to actually do something.

I hope it will be a softer Brexit, although apparently the new government has actually ruled this out. Farage thinks it will be a softer Brexit, and I must say, he has been pretty accurate in his predictions so far.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Corbyn says he takes responsibility for the loss, but then goes on to say that his policies were just fine and had nothing to do with the loss

It's Labour's own fault though, they knew he was unpopular but they voted him in twice.
They also voted in the Ed Miliband instead of his brother David because Ed was more left leaning, but David was the more popular amongst voters, so they just keep on shooting themselves in the foot. Seems the people don't want leftist socialist leaning leaders.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1206147455747682304

Corbyn is trying to control who will be the next leader...it's going to another one from his faction - Rebecca Long-Bailey ('Wrong-Daily'). Basically Corbyn without the beard. Clear Conservative win in 2024.

 

[Ancalagon]

The day that the UK chooses a hard left Labour government will be a very sad day indeed. So I really hope it does not happen.

Johnson has done something very clever though - he has announced loads of money will be spent in the North. So, these Northeners that have taken a chance by voting Tory - Johnson will reward them for it. How difficult will it be for Labour to convince them to vote for them when Johnson will finally deliver much needed investment in the North?

Maybe we need a UK politics thread, since this is not strictly about Brexit anymore.

 

[SoldierMan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1206147455747682304

Corbyn is trying to control who will be the next leader...it's going to another one from his faction - Rebecca Long-Bailey ('Wrong-Daily'). Basically Corbyn without the beard. Clear Conservative win in 2024.

*facepalm*
Yeah looks like he wants to keep the party on it's current course, and as you say steer Labour to another loss... Conservatives must be, "why thank you kindly".

 

[C4Cat]

Note they didn't even vote LibDem - they went the complete opposite way and turned the north blue.

Actually they mostly moved to voting for LibDem (in terms of actual numbers)

 

[The Voice]

*facepalm*
Yeah looks like he wants to keep the party on it's current course, and as you say steer Labour to another loss... Conservatives must be, "why thank you kindly".

I don't base my friendships on political alignment, but this past election a lot of them have sadly started showing their true colours.

My favourite being the guy posting dank memes about how the NHS is practically going to disappear overnight thanks to everyone who voted Conservative, and being extremely vocal - but didn't vote himself.

And then another guy who's pissed off (again at everyone who voted Tory, not at his own party that shot itself in the foot repeatedly) because we all should've at least given Corbyn a chance. The man hasn't won a single election - but you want him to run the country?!

 

[Ancalagon]

I don't base my friendships on political alignment, but this past election a lot of them have sadly started showing their true colours.

My favourite being the guy posting dank memes about how the NHS is practically going to disappear overnight thanks to everyone who voted Conservative, and being extremely vocal - but didn't vote himself.

And then another guy who's pissed off (again at everyone who voted Tory, not at his own party that shot itself in the foot repeatedly) because we all should've at least given Corbyn a chance. The man hasn't won a single election - but you want him to run the country?!

Remember Corbyn "won the argument" by losing the election. Bwa ha ha ha!

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

UK PM Johnson to enshrine 2020 Brexit date in law – The Telegraph

Having registered the victory in the United Kingdom’s (UK) general election, the Prime Minister (PM) Boris Johnson is all set to enshrine his pledge of leaving the European Union (EU) completely before 2020 ends. The Telegraph says that a beefed-up Brexit will, likely up for voting this week, will include the clause to stop the Brexit transition period beyond the 2020’s end.

Key quotes

The Prime Minister will use his huge majority to push through a radically altered bill that will prevent Parliament from extending the transition period beyond Dec 31 next year.
Downing Street intends to hold a vote on the bill this Friday to give voters who backed the Tories an early Christmas present and keep up the momentum of last week’s landslide election win.
It will also prove to voters that Mr. Johnson has no intention of using his immense new power to pursue a softer Brexit, as some Leave campaigners had feared.

 

[Emjay]

Haha.

 

[konfab]

I should bloody well hope so, everyone is tired of Brexit now, it is long past time to get it the process going. I get the feeling (or maybe it's just wishful thinking) that the Brexit negotiations will result in a much softer Brexit than many 'brexiteers' are hoping for. Boris not only has a strong mandate for Brexit but he also has a strong mandate for a softer Brexit, given that the Brexit party got no seats.

Nope.

Boris Johnson has put the prospect of a no-deal Brexit firmly back on the table, by introducing a legal provision to bar him from extending negotiations on a trade deal with Brussels beyond the end of next year.

The move was branded “reckless” by Liberal Democrat interim leader Sir Ed Davey, who warned it risked sending the UK “straight off the no-deal cliff”, threatening jobs, the environment and the NHS.


The ban, to be included in the Withdrawal Agreement Bill tabled in parliament on Friday, will prevent the prime minister from buying extra time if trade talks are not completed within what most experts regard as an extremely tight timescale. Last week a leaked recording revealed that Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, believed the timetable was “unrealistic”. He told MEPs: “We will not get everything done in 11 months.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ris-johnson-leave-eu-remain-nhs-a9249341.html

Boris's mandate is to deliver Brexit. He will get demolished if he delays any longer than needed.

 

[Ancalagon]

I am a little worried about the no-extension bit, I must be honest.

While I agree that moving forward with Brexit is the best thing right now, I'd rather have a proper deal done rather than a rushed one.

I'd rather have a provision that says, parliament can choose whether to grant an extension based on how likely it looks that a deal will be achieved. If, by October 2020, we are still farting around, then no extension. But if it is looking close, rather just grant the extension so that we can get a proper deal.

Also I wonder if the EU can just unilaterally give us an extension? Does the UK need to ask for one?

 

[ShaunSA]

I had totally forgotten the Brits went to the polls

I take it some folks are eating humble pie?

 

[C4Cat]

Nope.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ris-johnson-leave-eu-remain-nhs-a9249341.html

Boris's mandate is to deliver Brexit. He will get demolished if he delays any longer than needed.

We'll see. There are a lot of negotiations that will happen now but they may get them done in a year and still end up with a softer brexit. If not then we'll see.