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ShaunSA said:
Because someone won and someone lost. Isn't that the nature of elections?
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The funniest thing is this:

The left pander like beasts on Social media, and for some reason people assume their support is bigger than it actually is. The left try to push agendas under the pretense that they have the majority view on subjects and it does look that way if you look at social media.

However the reality is completely different :D
 
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ShaunSA said:
Because someone won and someone lost. Isn't that the nature of elections?
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I guess, I thought humble pie was for when you'd made a horrible mistake or error in judgement. Supporting a party that loses in an election isn't, imo, a reason to eat humble pie. Supporting the ideals of a minority party isn't a mistake or an error in judgement, it's just an indication that your beliefs and values differ from the majority - it says nothing about right or wrong.
 
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C4Cat said:
I guess, I thought humble pie was for when you'd made a horrible mistake or error in judgement. Supporting a party that loses in an election isn't, imo, a reason to eat humble pie. Supporting the ideals of a minority party isn't a mistake or an error in judgement, it's just an indication that your beliefs and values differ from the majority - it says nothing about right or wrong.
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There are people in the Labour party that believe that their policies are incredibly popular, which couldn't be more further from the truth.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1205401731988959233
 
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C4Cat said:
I guess, I thought humble pie was for when you'd made a horrible mistake or error in judgement. Supporting a party that loses in an election isn't, imo, a reason to eat humble pie. Supporting the ideals of a minority party isn't a mistake or an error in judgement, it's just an indication that your beliefs and values differ from the majority - it says nothing about right or wrong.
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Some on the Left may have to eat humble pie with statements like:

EVERYONE smart is against Brexit
EVERYONE votes Labour
EVERYONE is horrified that Johnson is Prime Minister
EVERYONE wants more social justice
EVERYONE does not want another 10 years of a Tory government

Clearly every single one of those is untrue by a large margin, but when you look at the Liberal media, you would swear that they were true.
 
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konfab said:
There are people in the Labour party that believe that their policies are incredibly popular, which couldn't be more further from the truth.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1205401731988959233
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That's true. Popular isn't necessarily right though. I still firmly believe Brexit is a huge mistake and voting in the Tories again, after all these years of them being in power, is a huge mistake. It is an unpopular opinion, but not one I feel I need to eat humble pie over.
 
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C4Cat said:
I guess, I thought humble pie was for when you'd made a horrible mistake or error in judgement. Supporting a party that loses in an election isn't, imo, a reason to eat humble pie. Supporting the ideals of a minority party isn't a mistake or an error in judgement, it's just an indication that your beliefs and values differ from the majority - it says nothing about right or wrong.
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And not that much of a majority either. 43.6% Conservative vs 32.2% Labour.
 
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That's true. Popular isn't necessarily right though. I still firmly believe Brexit is a huge mistake and voting in the Tories again, after all these years of them being in power, is a huge mistake. It is an unpopular opinion, but not one I feel I need to eat humble pie over.
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The Tories and Labour are both parties that are in flux, I think it is a mistake to think of them as static entities. The Tories have shifted more to the centre whilst Labour have gone hard left. Turns out working class people in the north don't really care much where the help for the rich upper classes in London comes from.

Same thing happened in the US with Trump. And it will happen again. Normal working class people do not have the privilege of worrying about the 87598734958734958 new flavours of gender or microaggressions. These things, I have come to believe are nothing more than costly signals for rich people.
 
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Ancalagon said:
A few things come to mind. If you read the liberal media (the BBC, the Guardian, most of twitter), Boris Johnson is the worst thing to ever happen to the UK and a literal Nazi who worships Adolf Hitler.
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Someone actually said he worships Adolf Hitler? I suppose it's no more idiotic than calling Corbyn a communist.

But then 45% of the country voted for him. So clearly that's a lie. Clearly the UK is not as Liberal or as left leaning as the liberal media would like you to believe
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Depends what the the other 56% (he appears to have pulled just under 44%) support.

Boris went in there with an unapologetically pro Leave and pro right wing message, and won. He got 45% of the vote.
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So he doesn't actually have majority support. He couldn't even get it past 50%.
 
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C4Cat said:
That's true. Popular isn't necessarily right though. I still firmly believe Brexit is a huge mistake and voting in the Tories again, after all these years of them being in power, is a huge mistake. It is an unpopular opinion, but not one I feel I need to eat humble pie over.
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I'm wondering why you feel the need to defend yourself so strongly. Unless my post touched you on your studio :unsure:
 
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Chris_the_Brit said:
Have you seen what mainstream European political parties get in other countries in Europe? Anything above 40 percent is exceptional. Most continental European leaders would kill for what the Tories obtained last Thursday.
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That's completely irrelevant to the false claims being bandied about regarding the level of support for each party in the UK. The level of support is reflected in the actual percentage of votes received, not the number of seats allocated by a faulty system. And that goes just as much for the times when Labour seizes control with a minority vote. The system needs to be reformed so that the allocation of seats represent the actual choices of the voters.
 
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noxibox said:
Someone actually said he worships Adolf Hitler? I suppose it's no more idiotic than calling Corbyn a communist.
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It's a figure of speech, but actually considering that there were protests against him - literal protests - I wonder how far away it is from what liberals think.

Depends what the the other 56% (he appears to have pulled just under 44%) support.
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The same parliamentary arithmetic has worked in Labour's favour, too.

So he doesn't actually have majority support. He couldn't even get it past 50%.
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As has been pointed out, this is the new norm. European parties would kill for more than 40% of the vote in a single election.

His vote share is equal to the vote share of the next two most popular parties combined. That should tell you something.

Also, if you break it down by Brexit position:
4.5 out of 10 people want to leave (conservatives)
3.2 people are undecided (labour)
1.1 people want to remain (lib dems)
 
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