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buka001

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Read up about the Common Agriculture Policy.




Oink oink oink. The EU and the ANC are very similar. Love milking taxpayers due to strong interest groups!

LOL

Donald Trump has been subsidising farmers ever since he started his trade wars. So you obviously agree that Trump is like the ANC as well and since you support Trump, you support the ANC.

Wow, such fabulous and rare honesty from anyone on this forum.

I for one despise the ANC. So is that why I dislike Trump?
 

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Read up about the Common Agriculture Policy.
Has nothing whatsoever to do with my response and does not support your claim that UK taxpayers were supporting French farmers. You do realise France puts more funds into the EU than it takes out right? Just like Germany, Italy and a few others.
 

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Gosh, that doesn't sound like the Tories at all, thankfully.
But they take money from poorer people and help the rich hoard more money which is good. Labour (at least old, proper Labour) want more a more equitable distribution of money and the rich to pay their fair share, which is bad.

Donald Trump has been subsidising farmers ever since he started his trade wars. So you obviously agree that Trump is like the ANC as well and since you support Trump, you support the ANC.
He's on the right so it's OK.
 

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You completely missed my point --- why should British taxpayers be subsiding French farmers? I have no problem with American taxpayers supporting American farmers. :confused:
Except that British taxpayers were not subsiding French farmers. Militant or otherwise. The EU was subsiding French farmers, along with British farmers and many other farmers in the EU. It is a union. Countries helping each other instead of fighting each other. A deal where everyone benefits.
 
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Except that British taxpayers were not subsiding French farmers. Militant or otherwise. The EU was subsiding French farmers, along with British farmers and many other farmers in the EU. It is a union. Counties helping each other instead of fighting each other. A deal where everyone benefits.

Remind me, where does the EU get its funds from? Just appear out of thin air? :unsure:

And you still have shown no evidence, like @noxibox, that British taxpayers were not supporting French farmers. Britain paid into CAP, CAP provides subsidies to farmers, of which there are many in France. It's really not that hard to grasp.

French farmers are among the most productive and the most belligerent in the European Union but they are nevertheless being crucified by the fastest drop in global agricultural commodities prices recorded in seven years. This has been caused by a slump in demand from China, Europe’s diplomatic war with Russia and the biggest fundamental problem of all: the European Union itself.

At the heart of the mess is the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), which was originally agreed too soon after the ill-conceived Common Market came into existence in 1957
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Almost 60 years later it has clearly achieved its primary task of keeping Europe amply fed. But food security is hardly an issue anymore, especially in the context of a global economy built on the premise of free trade.

It was also designed to help the industry manage the impact of fluctuating commodity prices and in so doing safeguard small farming communities.

Instead it has rewarded farmers for inefficient agricultural practices and promoted the overproduction of food on a scale previously unseen. Neither is it cheap for the average taxpayer. Although farmers only make up 5.4pc of Europe’s population, they account for 47pc of the EU budget.

Now the system of subsidising farmers in less productive member countries is warping the economics of producing food across the entire region. Taxpayers across Europe pay to fund €58bn of annual farming subsidies and then are hit again by food prices, which some argue are still kept artificially high just to keep farmers in business. Instead of using payments from CAP to develop more efficient farming practices, the industry has instead loaded up on debt which is essentially underwritten by subsidies.

 

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Except that British taxpayers were not subsiding French farmers. Militant or otherwise. The EU was subsiding French farmers, along with British farmers and many other farmers in the EU. It is a union. Counties helping each other instead of fighting each other. A deal where everyone benefits.
There's good reason to oppose the subsidies overall. Mainly because they don't achieve what they're intended to achieve and primarily amount to transferring more money into the hands of the wealthy. But it is still incorrect to claim that UK taxpayer money was going to French farmers. We might as well say the French are glad they no longer have their tax money going to British farmers. It would be just as accurate.
 

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And you still have shown no evidence, like @noxibox, that British taxpayers were not supporting French farmers.
You've presented no evidence they are.

And I wonder are you also angry at crooks like Farage who drew a salary from the EU for a job he wasn't actually doing? Or is stealing from the UK taxpayer all good as long as one is a loudmouth conservative?
 

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I remember a time when the UK had its own seat at the EU, where it was able to -

- Speak with our own voice
- Prioritise issues & defend industries that matter to the UK
- Participate in negotiating international trade agreements that will come into force

Now it doesn't so in terms of the level playing fields matter, will have to abide by EU laws and regulations, without any influence or being able to prioritise and issues or defend any industries that matter to the UK.

Since 50% of its trade is with this Union, you would like to think that having that influence would have been useful?
 
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I remember a time when the UK had its own seat at the EU, where it was able to -

- Speak with our own voice
- Prioritise issues & defend industries that matter to the UK
- Participate in negotiating international trade agreements that will come into force

Now it doesn't so in terms of the level playing fields matter, will have to abide by EU laws and regulations, without any influence or being able to prioritise and issues or defend any industries that matter to the UK.

Since 50% of its trade is with this Union, you would like to think that having that influence would have been useful?

It's only until December 2020 that the UK has to abide by EU regulations. Small price to pay! And it's debatable whether the UK had any real influence as they could easily be outvoted by other countries. It's really hard to push your case when big decisions have to be made as a collective. It inevitably involves compromise that satisfies no-one.
 

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You've presented no evidence they are.

And I wonder are you also angry at crooks like Farage who drew a salary from the EU for a job he wasn't actually doing? Or is stealing from the UK taxpayer all good as long as one is a loudmouth conservative?
Farage's job was to get Brexit done. The UK got their money's worth. He did an excellent job. Quality workmanship and enjoyable to boot. He even threw in some salt mining for free. Will recommend .
 

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It's only until December 2020 that the UK has to abide by EU regulations. Small price to pay! And it's debatable whether the UK had any real influence as they could easily be outvoted by other countries. It's really hard to push your case when big decisions have to be made as a collective. It inevitably involves compromise that satisfies no-one.
So is the WTO going to be a UK dictatorial empire, or will the UK be outvoted as well by the 100+ countries on it?

Have you read the EU's Mandate for Negotiations?

The UK will still have to abide by EU regulations, especially so under the Level Playing Field terms, if they wish to have, as the Leave campaigners have promised us trade with the EU, with exact same benefits, ready to sign on day one and no change to Irish border trade with the EU.

If they don't well then we get the "Ausie" deal, which is a no deal. Which means tariffs.
 
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So is the WTO going to be a UK dictatorial empire, or will the UK be outvoted as well by the 100+ countries on it?

Have you read the EU's Mandate for Negotiations?

The UK will still have to abide by EU regulations, especially so under the Level Playing Field terms, if they wish to have, as the Leave campaigners have promised us trade with the EU, with exact same benefits, ready to sign on day one and no change to Irish border trade with the EU.

If they don't well then we get the "Ausie" deal, which is a no deal. Which means tariffs.

That's the EU's mandate. The UK has stated it wants to diverge.
 

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That's the EU's mandate. The UK has stated it wants to diverge.
Oh so Leave lied and the Remoaners told the truth. Remoaners warned that this would happen.

Yeah, the best thing about Brexit is how pragmatic realism had smashed the Leave Campaigns rainbow fantasies.

Here is the leave campaign promises -

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