The Brexit Thread

[Spizz]

So what did/do the British unskilled do then? There must be millions of them and no, not all of them will be living off benefits.

The clear disregard you have for the work ethic of the British working class is convenient for your purposes in justifying low-skilled immigration.

Just don't think it matches up in reality.

You really are so far out of your depth lad. As a British working class person born and raised on a council estate, I think I can tell you exactly what the work ethic of the British working class is. And buka is bang on. And having just spent over a year in the UK running a large construction project, I can tell you things haven't changed since I left there in 2003.

But go ahead, tell us all how you know these things?

Edit: I should say, that you talk about the working class. As a proud member of the working class, I'm talking about the sub humans we lovingly refer to as dole scum. I'm sure you saw thousands of them littering the streets when you were on holiday last year.

 

[surface]

what the UK has come to? With the likes of Priti Patel drafting immigration policy, Sadiq khan going to EU to pitch freedom of movement for londoners - Is this Return of the Natives story or what?

 

[buka001]

So what did/do the British unskilled do then? There must be millions of them and no, not all of them will be living off benefits.

The clear disregard you have for the work ethic of the British working class is convenient for your purposes in justifying low-skilled immigration.

Just don't think it matches up in reality.

They were mining coal, or putting cars together. Which is no longer an industry.

 

[buka001]

You really are so far out of your depth lad. As a British working class person born and raised on a council estate, I think I can tell you exactly what the work ethic of the British working class is. And buka is bang on. And having just spent over a year in the UK running a large construction project, I can tell you things haven't changed since I left there in 2003.

But go ahead, tell us all how you know these things?

The wonders of working in construction is you spend your day with all walks of life.

Yes you do have low skilled british workers in construction, just at a lower percentage than foreign workers. We still have shortages, so if Chris theory is right and my view of the will of the low skilled british employee is wrong, why have these roles not been filled by those individuals?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

But Chris doesn't understand how the country has changed so he would have no idea who used to do these jobs. He's off now Googling it since I asked because he can't find it on Twitter. And the chinless wonders he worships wouldn't have a fscking clue either since they've never been near a field. But I can tell you from experience that it was poor working class people. The kind of people who wouldn't work today because as you say, they are on benefits.

When I was a school kid in the late 70s, early 80s, some of my friends summer holidays were working in the fields with their family as what was termed a "working holiday". They were very popular among us poor people although thankfully, I was never made to do with and alongside my mum and dad. It was 4 to 6 weeks of working the fields every day and the parents having a drink and a song and dance at night.

I did however spend many days during many summers picking potatoes form the fields for £3 a day, but that was my and my friends choices to do it for pocket money. There was always lots of foreigners there too. Mostly European Uni age students on working holidays. I don't know if they were legal or not, but they were there.

And now with unemployment at it's lowest for 45 years, how will these roles be filled?

Literally what I was implying in my post. So thanks for confirming what I thought .

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

The wonders of working in construction is you spend your day with all walks of life.

Yes you do have low skilled british workers in construction, just at a lower percentage that foreign workers. We still have shortages, so if Chris theory is right and my view of the will of the low skilled british employee is wring, why have these roles not been filled by those individuals?

Because FoM hasn't stopped yet, and the British are hardly going to chuck out Johnny Foreigner as most of them are going to get indefinite leave to remain.

 

[buka001]

Because FoM hasn't stopped yet, and the British are hardly going to chuck out Johnny Foreigner as most of them are going to get indefinite leave to remain.

OK so you confirm that the market will not grow as their will be insufficient labour to match any demand for growth.

 

[Spizz]

Literally what I was implying in my post. So thanks for confirming what I thought .

You've no idea. Those poor working class people are no longer poor working class people. Those poor working class people are people like me and my friends who work for a living driving trucks, packing shelves and clocking into a factory on back shift. They have always worked. But 40 years later in a country with low unemployment, these people don't exist anymore. And the people you now expect to fill those roles are the underclass and they won't work.

 

[Spizz]

The wonders of working in construction is you spend your day with all walks of life.

Yes you do have low skilled british workers in construction, just at a lower percentage than foreign workers. We still have shortages, so if Chris theory is right and my view of the will of the low skilled british employee is wrong, why have these roles not been filled by those individuals?

Our sub contractor struggled to attract young British people into construction. They don't want to be wet, cold and filthy when they have alternatives. I'd say about 50% of his workers were foreign, including a few Indians who snuck in the back door.

The Poles suffered daily racism with graffiti in the toilets etc.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

OK so you confirm that the market will not grow as their will be insufficient labour to match any demand for growth.

It will take an unspecified amount of time for the fulls effects of the new immigration policy to filter through to the labour market, but we should be able to see an upward movement in wages after 6 months - 1 year. At the very least, the new policy won't increase competition for low-skilled work.

 

[surface]

Our sub contractor struggled to attract young British people into construction. They don't want to be wet, cold and filthy when they have alternatives. I'd say about 50% of his workers were foreign, including a few Indians who snuck in the back door.

The Poles suffered daily racism with graffiti in the toilets etc.

Curious about this if you can elaborate. Other nationalities didn't know/use this back door? And poles suffered daily racism from whom? Other nationalities?

 

[buka001]

It will take an unspecified amount of time for the fulls effects of the new immigration policy to filter through to the labour market, but we should be able to see an upward movement in wages after 6 months - 1 year. At the very least, the new policy won't increase competition for low-skilled work.

There has been significant upward movement on wages in the construction sector and yet we still have problems getting sufficient people to do the work.

 

[Dave]

It will take an unspecified amount of time for the fulls effects of the new immigration policy to filter through to the labour market, but we should be able to see an upward movement in wages after 6 months - 1 year. At the very least, the new policy won't increase competition for low-skilled work.

Chris, you are absolutely clueless with regard to life in the UK, why do you continually try and make yourself look stupid by pretending you are some sort of expert on British life?

 

[Hamish McPanji]

It will take an unspecified amount of time for the fulls effects of the new immigration policy to filter through to the labour market, but we should be able to see an upward movement in wages after 6 months - 1 year. At the very least, the new policy won't increase competition for low-skilled work.

No, it will have an inflationary effect at every level. And will make Britain less competitive on pricing, because they have to work that into the pricing. Even their colonies will start buying stuff elsewhere

 

[surface]

Chris, you are absolutely clueless with regard to life in the UK, why do you continually try and make yourself look stupid by pretending you are some sort of expert on British life?

He is probably some indian pretending to be Brit. These pesky colonial natives can be a pain.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Chris, you are absolutely clueless with regard to life in the UK, why do you continually try and make yourself look stupid by pretending you are some sort of expert on British life?

He read about it in the Daily Express

 

[Spizz]

Curious about this if you can elaborate. Other nationalities didn't know/use this back door? And poles suffered daily racism from whom? Other nationalities?

One of the sub contractors of the main contractor supplied machine operators. Excavators, graders etc. They were all Sikh and the guy who owned the "company" would bring these skilled operators over from India with paperwork that said they were skilled, and train them on the job. I'm sure that a lot of them were on holiday and overstaying their visas etc.

The racism towards to Poles was from the British guys. Graffiti and the odd incident where they are told to "fsck off back to Poland". That kind of thing. One guy from Romania who was a young engineer working for our main contractor got the schit kicked out of him in the pub for being Romanian. He packed it in shortly after. Real nice clever guy too.

 

[buka001]

It will take an unspecified amount of time for the fulls effects of the new immigration policy to filter through to the labour market, but we should be able to see an upward movement in wages after 6 months - 1 year. At the very least, the new policy won't increase competition for low-skilled work.

Just to add. Look at the disaster that is Crossrail. Way over budget and ridiculously late.

Wages on that project grew astronomically. Yet they still struggled to attract sufficient number of workers in all categories.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Chris, you are absolutely clueless with regard to life in the UK, why do you continually try and make yourself look stupid by pretending you are some sort of expert on British life?

I do much better at predicting UK elections than you do despite you living in the UK. That must count for something.

 

[Spizz]

Chris, you are absolutely clueless with regard to life in the UK, why do you continually try and make yourself look stupid by pretending you are some sort of expert on British life?

And to do it and argue with people from there and who live there