The Brexit Thread

[Pitbull]

When it’s South Africa who does not give clarity and security to investors, it’s a scandal.

When it’s the UK, it’s the fault of the companies. You don’t change the logistics supply chain of a plane or car manufacturer in even a year. Last time Airbus tried for the A380, it took 3 years to respect deadlines.

What do you tell your shareholders:
1. We changed it and spent billions on it but now don’t need it because the UK government changed its mind?
2. We didn’t change it and have billions in delay penalties but we couldn’t know if we would have to change it or not?

Makes sense.

Not at all,

They know what the UK wants from Brexit. The companies then say but if you do this we're leaving, if you do that we're leaving. They already gave their mandate. So leave then if you don't agree with the mandate.

 

[f2wohf]

Not at all,

They know what the UK wants from Brexit. The companies then say but if you do this we're leaving, if you do that we're leaving. They already gave their mandate. So leave then if you don't agree with the mandate.

Read the articles, they don’t say if the UK leaves, we leave.

They say that if the Brexit (and mostly custom checks) become a clusterfu*k, they cannot allow that to happen and the loss of productivity associated and that they need clarity on how the customs intend to be efficient.

They don’t ask the UK to remain.

I just read a french article that 90% of the french industry is SMMEs and they don’t have a clue of what to do, will time sensitive products be prioritized by the customs, will there be delays, what tariffs?

 

[C4Cat]

Not at all,

They know what the UK wants from Brexit. The companies then say but if you do this we're leaving, if you do that we're leaving. They already gave their mandate. So leave then if you don't agree with the mandate.

What the UK wants and what the UK gets are completely different things and nobody knows what the UK will get from Brexit, especially with trade deals, borders, customs and other international agreements. That's the point, there is no clarity on these issues and business needs to plan ahead. They are not fear mongering, they are clarifying the position they are in and require clarity from the Brexit process to move forward

 

[buka001]

Read the articles, they don’t say if the UK leaves, we leave.

They say that if the Brexit (and mostly custom checks) become a clusterfu*k, they cannot allow that to happen and the loss of productivity associated and that they need clarity on how the customs intend to be efficient.

They don’t ask the UK to remain.

I just read a french article that 90% of the french industry is SMMEs and they don’t have a clue of what to do, will time sensitive products be prioritized by the customs, will there be delays, what tariffs?

Agreed. I am currently working on a large construction project in the UK, that is a joint venture between a UK contractor and a French one.

Many of the specialist suppliers/sub-contractors are European (French, Belgian, German and Swiss), because there are absolutely no UK companies that can produce or supply the products to the very exacting quality needed.

Due to the contracts we have with them when Brexit hits, with any scenario that does not equate to the current state of affairs, the amount of claims and delays written in is going to wreck havoc on this Billion Pound plus contract.

I would also love to know where is this unemployed local labour force hiding? We have tons of jobs available, but can't find anyone?

 

[Pitbull]

Read the articles, they don’t say if the UK leaves, we leave.

They say that if the Brexit (and mostly custom checks) become a clusterfu*k, they cannot allow that to happen and the loss of productivity associated and that they need clarity on how the customs intend to be efficient.

They don’t ask the UK to remain.

I just read a french article that 90% of the french industry is SMMEs and they don’t have a clue of what to do, will time sensitive products be prioritized by the customs, will there be delays, what tariffs?

Let me ask you this:
The UK wants full control of their borders. Meaning in/outs and customs obviously.

So the mandate is there. Why say that if you control customs we're out? Just asking as it doesn't make sense. If you want to leave, just leave... Simple really. No need to announce you will leave if this happens and so many people will lose their jobs. Up and leave already. like I said, nothing more than fear mongering.

 

[f2wohf]

Let me ask you this:
The UK wants full control of their borders. Meaning in/outs and customs obviously.

So the mandate is there. Why say that if you control customs we're out? Just asking as it doesn't make sense. If you want to leave, just leave... Simple really. No need to announce you will leave if this happens and so many people will lose their jobs. Up and leave already. like I said, nothing more than fear mongering.

That’s the thing, they don’t know if they need to leave or not.

Leaving costs billions, remaining might cost billions, it’s not a decision you take on sentiments but on facts. And the UK governments is incapable of giving these much needed facts.

In the meanwhile, they try to put the balance on their side with the threats, that’s all they can really do.

Not unlike farmers with no farmers = no food.

 

[Pitbull]

That’s the thing, they don’t know if they need to leave or not.

Leaving costs billions, remaining might cost billions, it’s not a decision you take on sentiments but on facts. And the UK governments is incapable of giving these much needed facts.

In the meanwhile, they try to put the balance on their side with the threats, that’s all they can really do.

Not unlike farmers with no farmers = no food.

I don't get how they "don't know"

The Brexit referendum was quite clear on what they want to do. So they know what the Brexiters want. Take that as a guide and plan accordingly. They are doing the same the Non-Brexiters are doing. Hoping something will change (which it probably could) but why wait? Move, get it over with so the planning post Brexit can start early. They should just call these companies' bluff. Leave or stay, do it now so they can plan ahead. Stop making idle threats.

 

[f2wohf]

I don't get how they "don't know"

The Brexit referendum was quite clear on what they want to do. So they know what the Brexiters want. Take that as a guide and plan accordingly. They are doing the same the Non-Brexiters are doing. Hoping something will change (which it probably could) but why wait? Move, get it over with so the planning post Brexit can start early. They should just call these companies' bluff. Leave or stay, do it now so they can plan ahead. Stop making idle threats.

Quite clear on what? Leaving the EU yes. But will it be a border like Switzerland or Norway? Will it be a hard border? An efficient one or not? What checks, standards, processes, rules will be applied? What custom duties? How long will it delay ships/trucks?

If you have answers for this, well done, because even May doesn’t.

It’s the basic 101 of business planning.

 

[Pitbull]

Quite clear on what? Leaving the EU yes. But will it be a border like Switzerland or Norway? Will it be a hard border? An efficient one or not? What checks, standards, processes, rules will be applied? What custom duties? How long will it delay ships/trucks?

If you have answers for this, well done, because even May doesn’t.

It’s the basic 101 of business planning.

Basic business planning would be avoiding any possible/perceived risk. Right? So pack and go. Stop spewing how many people will be jobless if you leave. Just leave...

The reason not even May knows is because of the EU trying to get their way and she's just a being her diplomatic self. If this was Thatcher, this would have been done a long time ago, clear and decisive rules would have been put down and not open for negotiation. I say this again, if Boeing and the likes are perceiving a problem, they should be moving NOW already and avoid any perceived risks. That is being pro-active. They are trying to play the "Victim" here and using employees as ransom to try and swing public perception.

Just leave ffs...

They won't because as you said, it would cost billions. Only just to not have to clear items at customs that could delay delivery /facepalm

 

[Unhappy438]

Jesus, glad Pitbull isnt a CEO, makes decisions purely on emotions. Apparently expressing disdain at having zero clarity is a bad thing :crylaugh:

 

[f2wohf]

Aren’t we turning around?

Packing and go costs billions, you don’t take billions of euros decisions on a «*maybe*» and only take it at the last minute if you have to.

In the meanwhile, they seek clarity.

The only reason May doesn’t know is because she is against Brexit and doesn’t want Brexit to happen under her watch so she’s doing everything possible to make it impossible.

 

[Pitbull]

Jesus, glad Pitbull isnt a CEO, makes decisions purely on emotions. Apparently expressing disdain at having zero clarity is a bad thing :crylaugh:

Right, let them cry them with closed borders and full customs checks. They are the ones crying, I have nothing to cry about. Because they will lose billions if their items needs customs clearance...

 

[Pitbull]

Aren’t we turning around?

Packing and go costs billions, you don’t take billions of euros decisions on a «*maybe*» and only take it at the last minute if you have to.

In the meanwhile, they seek clarity.

The only reason May doesn’t know is because she is against Brexit and doesn’t want Brexit to happen under her watch so she’s doing everything possible to make it impossible.

Exactly, glad I'm not the only one to see this. And more and more of the British people are realizing it too.

 

[Unhappy438]

Exactly, glad I'm not the only one to see this. And more and more of the British people are realizing it too.

Nobody wants to be the one who initiates the inevitable flop that it will be, if its not May its someone else who will drag their heels.

 

[Pitbull]

Nobody wants to be the one who initiates the inevitable flop that it will be, if its not May its someone else who will drag their heels.

Flop or not, that is the choice of the people. Deal with it.

 

[buka001]

I don't get how they "don't know"

The Brexit referendum was quite clear on what they want to do. So they know what the Brexiters want. Take that as a guide and plan accordingly. They are doing the same the Non-Brexiters are doing. Hoping something will change (which it probably could) but why wait? Move, get it over with so the planning post Brexit can start early. They should just call these companies' bluff. Leave or stay, do it now so they can plan ahead. Stop making idle threats.

The referendum was anything but clear. To this day there is still no clarity on how the various aspects of the eventual Brexit agreement will be managed.

Still no idea on very important aspects like the border with Ireland. An issue that is deeply sensitive to Northern Ireland.

No idea in terms of what customs union will be formed.

No idea on various regulatory agreements, such as CE marking of products etc.

And so on.

To put it simply, would you visit the town that charges you a toll to get in or go to the neighbouring town that is toll free and offers much of the same services?

That is what the various bussinesses are mulling over right now. Does Toyota continue to manufacture vehicles in the UK with various post-Brexit tariffs or does it go to Germany with no tariffs?

 

[Pitbull]

The referendum was anything but clear. To this day there is still no clarity on how the various aspects of the eventual Brexit agreement will be managed.

Still no idea on very important aspects like the border with Ireland. An issue that is deeply sensitive to Northern Ireland.

No idea in terms of what customs union will be formed.

No idea on various regulatory agreements, such as CE marking of products etc.

And so on.

To put it simply, would you visit the town that charges you a toll to get in or go to the neighbouring town that is toll free and offers much of the same services?

That is what the various bussinesses are mulling over right now. Does Toyota continue to manufacture vehicles in the UK with various post-Brexit tariffs or does it go to Germany with no tariffs?

They move, isn't that exactly what I'm saying. They should move now. Get it over with so Post-Brexit planning can start. No need to cry about what could/would/should happen...

 

[buka001]

They move, isn't that exactly what I'm saying. They should move now. Get it over with so Post-Brexit planning can start. No need to cry about what could/would/should happen...

The consequance of them moving will pretty much confirm every doomsday scenario.

The UK are not going to all of a sudden start making its own wings for Airbus or cars for Toyota.

So where will all the UK employees who loose their jobs go work?

 

[Dave]

The consequance of them moving will pretty much confirm every doomsday scenario.

The UK are not going to all of a sudden start making its own wings for Airbus or cars for Toyota.

So where will all the UK employees who loose their jobs go work?

You're arguing with an Australian living in SA and Pitbull, both are likely to be absolutely clueless on what's actually happening in the UK at present with regard to Brexit or the current attitude to it amongst Brits (beyond what they read in papers like the Daily Mail).

I mean, come on, Fake Chris actually thinks Rees Mogg should be PM :crylaugh:

 

[f2wohf]

The consequance of them moving will pretty much confirm every doomsday scenario.

The UK are not going to all of a sudden start making its own wings for Airbus or cars for Toyota.

So where will all the UK employees who loose their jobs go work?

The Great British Nation will make wings if it feels like making wings. And if we have too many wings, we will stockpile wings.