The Brexit Thread

[Pitbull]

The narrative is so obvious here and you're not the only one, Chris is another one thats guilty. "The people voted leave so stop telling us about all the negatives around leaving."

Again, you're wrong. I have no issue with companies wanting to leave. Saying if so and so happens we will leave and X amount of people will lose their jobs is nothing but fear mongering. Leave or stay, just make up your mind already.

Firstly your example is terrible because is ignores the costs of an employee leaving a company vs a company leaving a country. Secondly if hundreds of important employees come to the manager with issues then a good manager will hear these issues and where reasonable will try and accommodate. You are yet to show us how the issues are unreasonable so all you are advocating for is bad management.

And there we have it once again, Victim card

Not talking about 100s of employees having an issue with the manager. The company here has an issue with Brexit. Maybe this example will be better:

I have a contractor I use to do work for me on a Property. I ask them to do it a certain way and they refuse to do it that way for (insert reason). Simple, I just let them go and get someone who will. I don't care how many employees the contractor has that will now not be paid. Not my problem. I have a job I need done. Don't want to play, leave. Simple as that.

 

[Pitbull]

There was no leave vote or leave campaign to leave the single market, so no, they didn't win a vote to leave the single market.

By the way, you're beginning to look quite stupid trying to push a point long discredited in the UK.

Again, it's not astrophysics... Don't know why you can't answer a simple yes or no.

Britain EXIT (Brexit) won. You might not want to accept it, that is a fact.

 

[Pitbull]

If your manager values your contribution he will at the very least listen to your concerns. Any manager who flat out ignores the concerns of his staff is a crap manager.

That Manager reports to another Senior Manager so the manager tells you, it is what it is, he can listen all he wants. Not much he can do can he?

 

[Pitbull]

Yes.

Point is if these industries leave there will be a significant number of people will have no work.

Where will they work? As the UK does not have the capacity to suite those roles in such numbers.

I would guess many of the white collar workers would go with the companies, but the blue collar work force would be left looking for work.

An aircraft technician is not going to want to go and pick strawberries in the cold.

People lose jobs every day all around the world. Be it: retrenchments, being fired whatever. The world hasn't ended yet...

 

[Cray]

That Manager reports to another Senior Manager so the manager tells you, it is what it is, he can listen all he wants. Not much he can do can he?

If all the staff tell management that a certain decision is a bad idea or will have specific consequences there is plenty senior management can do... Agree there are times managers don't listen but I have had plenty of experience of managers changing a policy in response to staff concerns.

 

[Unhappy438]

Again, you're wrong. I have no issue with companies wanting to leave. Saying if so and so happens we will leave and X amount of people will lose their jobs is nothing but fear mongering. Leave or stay, just make up your mind already.

Its only fear mongering if its untrue, whilst there probably has been incidents of fear mongering, you're not talking specifically and rather generally. Based on that one can only assume a shut down of discussion is being attempted.

Business makes claim, leavers shout shut up we voted leave. No counterpoints are made in this scenario as to why the business is wrong. Classic case of authoritarianism and the leave propaganda is punting it.

And there we have it once again, Victim card

Not talking about 100s of employees having an issue with the manager. The company here has an issue with Brexit. Maybe this example will be better:

No companies, not company.

I have a contractor I use to do work for me on a Property. I ask them to do it a certain way and they refuse to do it that way for (insert reason). Simple, I just let them go and get someone who will. I don't care how many employees the contractor has that will now not be paid. Not my problem. I have a job I need done. Don't want to play, leave. Simple as that.

Another rubbish example, government/business does not carry the same relationship you have with a random bloke building your house.

 

[Dave]

Again, it's not astrophysics... Don't know why you can't answer a simple yes or no.

Britain EXIT (Brexit) won. You might not want to accept it, that is a fact.

Your problem is you don't understand the different terms in use, and so are conflating all sorts of things.

It might help if you actually understood that the single market and the EU are not the same thing. A country can be in the single market without being in the EU, for example Norway or Iceland

With that in mind, maybe you can now understand that a vote to leave the EU is not necessarily a vote to leave to single market.

I've even posted a link to show that the Leave campaign for the EU referendum (Brexit = Britain exit from EU) repeatedly stated that leaving the EU did not mean leaving the single market.

Does that help you comprehend the issue a bit clearer now?

 

[Pitbull]

Its only fear mongering if its untrue, whilst there probably has been incidents of fear mongering, you're not talking specifically and rather generally. Based on that one can only assume a shut down of discussion is being attempted.

Business makes claim, leavers shout shut up we voted leave. No counterpoints are made in this scenario as to why the business is wrong. Classic case of authoritarianism and the leave propaganda is punting it.

Still wrong, but alas, you won't admit it.

No companies, not company.

Fine companies. boohoo.

Another rubbish example, government/business does not carry the same relationship you have with a random bloke building your house.

Yes, as just like Airbus leaving or Toyota leaving and other companies. The country will still be fine. Britain has had an unemployment of 23% at one stage and guess what, they came through it fine.

 

[Pitbull]

Your problem is you don't understand the different terms in use, and so are conflating all sorts of things.

It might help if you actually understood that the single market and the EU are not the same thing. A country can be in the single market without being in the EU, for example Norway or Iceland

With that in mind, maybe you can now understand that a vote to leave the EU is not necessarily a vote to leave to single market.

I've even posted a link to show that the Leave campaign for the EU referendum (Brexit = Britain exit from EU) repeatedly stated that leaving the EU did not mean leaving the single market.

Does that help you comprehend the issue a bit clearer now?

No, you are trying to cloud the issue.

There was one referendum. Leave or Stay. They voted leave. You can cloud the issue all you want.

 

[f2wohf]

No, you are trying to cloud the issue.

There was one referendum. Leave or Stay. They voted leave. You can cloud the issue all you want.

They voted leave to what?

 

[Dave]

No, you are trying to cloud the issue.

There was one referendum. Leave or Stay. They voted leave. You can cloud the issue all you want.

There was one referendum to leave the EU.

The problem is some people don't understand the different organisations that are now being lumped into that vote that weren't included at the time.

There is no mandate to leave the single market.

This all goes back to my comment about you being clueless and basing your opinion solely on what you read in biased newspapers like the Mail and no actual personal experience or knowledge.

 

[Xarog]

There was one referendum to leave the EU.

The problem is some people don't understand the different organisations that are now being lumped into that vote that weren't included at the time.

There is no mandate to leave the single market.

This all goes back to my comment about you being clueless and basing your opinion solely on what you read in biased newspapers like the Mail and no actual personal experience or knowledge.

If a reasonable compromise cannot be found with respect to the common market with regard to leaving the EU, then the common market must be left as well in order for the will of the people to be satisfied.

 

[f2wohf]

If a reasonable compromise cannot be found with respect to the common market with regard to leaving the EU, then the common market must be left as well in order for the will of the people to be satisfied.

There is no compromise to be found.

Either the UK leaves the EU and remains in the single market (such as Norway, Switzerland and Iceland);

Either the EU leaves both.

That’s up to the UK.

 

[Unhappy438]

Still wrong, but alas, you won't admit it.

Very specific examples have been discussed in this thread today, you can tell us with facts why the companies are wrong and just fear mongering.

Yes, as just like Airbus leaving or Toyota leaving and other companies. The country will still be fine. Britain has had an unemployment of 23% at one stage and guess what, they came through it fine.

Sure they may well be fine eventually but there will be pain no doubt if companies leave by the droves. Why not negotiate a deal that will mitigate that pain if possible? Simply shouting leave doesn't mitigate any pain.

 

[Pitbull]

They voted leave to what?

Leave the EU in order to regain FULL border control. Which includes customs, all of a sudden Customs is an issue now for some companies

 

[f2wohf]

Leave the EU in order to regain FULL border control. Which includes customs, all of a sudden Customs is an issue now for some companies

Strange, I didn’t see regain full border control in the ballot papers.



Can we now agree that the single market was not mentioned?

Speaking of controlling the borders, the UK already was.

 

[Pitbull]

Very specific examples have been discussed in this thread today, you can tell us with facts why the companies are wrong and just fear mongering.




Sure they may well be fine eventually but there will be pain no doubt if companies leave by the droves. Why not negotiate a deal that will mitigate that pain if possible? Simply shouting leave doesn't mitigate any pain.

Why prolong the issue? You have a mandate, implement it and let the cards fall where they fall. Then take it from there. All everyone is saying now is: if this happens we'll do this. If this happens we'll do that. Take a farking stance and move on.

 

[Pitbull]

Strange, I didn’t see regain full border control in the ballot papers.

:erm: that was the reason for Brexit to begin with. You are fully aware of that, no idea why you being obtuse now

 

[Dave]

Why prolong the issue? You have a mandate, implement it and let the cards fall where they fall. Then take it from there. All everyone is saying now is: if this happens we'll do this. If this happens we'll do that. Take a farking stance and move on.

There is no mandate for what you are describing.

 

[Dave]

:erm: that was the reason for Brexit to begin with. You are fully aware of that, no idea why you being obtuse now

Where was that written? I certainly don't remember that being the base question on any referendum literature or the actual ballot.

Even some on the Leave side criticised Farage for his poster showing refugees...