The Brexit Thread

[buka001]

You're arguing with an Australian living in SA and Pitbull, both are likely to be absolutely clueless on what's actually happening in the UK at present with regard to Brexit or the current attitude to it amongst Brits (beyond what they read in papers like the Daily Mail).

I mean, come on, Fake Chris actually thinks Rees Mogg should be PM :crylaugh:

Very true.

Rees-Mogg is such a muppet. Even looks like one.

 

[Pitbull]

You're arguing with an Australian living in SA and Pitbull, both are likely to be absolutely clueless on what's actually happening in the UK at present with regard to Brexit or the current attitude to it amongst Brits (beyond what they read in papers like the Daily Mail).

I mean, come on, Fake Chris actually thinks Rees Mogg should be PM :crylaugh:

Very true, not disputing that.

I however am very well aware that the Brexit vote went in favour of leaving. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Dave]

Very true, not disputing that.

I however am very well aware that the Brexit vote went in favour of leaving. Nothing more nothing less.

The vote was marginally in favour of leaving, there are a lot of people who voted leave who have now said they regret the way they voted, I doubt there is currently a majority in favour of Brexit any longer.

 

[Pitbull]

The consequance of them moving will pretty much confirm every doomsday scenario.

The UK are not going to all of a sudden start making its own wings for Airbus or cars for Toyota.

So where will all the UK employees who loose their jobs go work?

Ok, I might be a bit retarded but why do they need their own wings for Airbus and Toyota?

We won't know until they leave as to what other plans can be made to employ the work force can we? From my limited understanding lots of EU nationals have left the UK after Brexit vote and thus unemployment have been dropping since. Which I assume would be an indication of who the actual people are being employed by these companies. I just find amazing that other countries around the world, with no EU trade deal seem to be doing pretty well. Why should the UK be any different?

 

[Pitbull]

The vote was marginally in favour of leaving, there are a lot of people who voted leave who have now said they regret the way they voted, I doubt there is currently a majority in favour of Brexit any longer.

So Brexit won?

 

[Unhappy438]

Very true, not disputing that.

I however am very well aware that the Brexit vote went in favour of leaving. Nothing more nothing less.

So what? Because the vote went in favour of leaving nobody is allowed to complain about the way that the leaving process is taking place? What kind of authoritarian nonsense are you proposing here?

So you also agree with the idea that the vote went in favour of the ANC so either shut up or pack your bags?

 

[Pitbull]

So what? Because the vote went in favour of leaving nobody is allowed to complain about the way that the leaving process is taking place? What kind of authoritarian nonsense are you proposing here?

So you also agree with the idea that the vote went in favour of the ANC so either shut up or pack your bags?

I'm not here crying that because the ANC won, I will now move my business to Zimbabwe and because of that 15 000 people will lose their job. Either move or stfu... not that hard

 

[f2wohf]

I'm not here crying that because the ANC won, I will now move my business to Zimbabwe and because of that 15 000 people will lose their job. Either move or stfu... not that hard

Large companies do PR and lobbying. Here, they try to show that they want to stay but that it might be difficult.

An element that seems to be non-existent in your ruthless pitbullian world.

 

[Dave]

Ok, I might be a bit retarded but why do they need their own wings for Airbus and Toyota?

He worded that slightly ambiguously which has made some confusion, presently the UK builds wings for Airbus, but not fuselages. The wings have to go to France to be installed onto fuselages. Without a friction free process (like being in the single market) it's not cost effective for Airbus to build the wings in the UK and then send them to France for final assembly.

The motor industry has the same problem, with parts from all over Europe coming together at a specific plant for assembly. This doesn't just apply to Toyota.

Here's an article describing the car issue:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/03/brexit-uk-car-industry-mini-britain-eu

Look at the Mini example, some parts go France -> UK -> Germany -> UK

 

[f2wohf]

Theresa May’s plan to secure London’s place as Europe’s financial services capital after Brexit will suffer a serious setback on Wednesday when Brussels and Paris are to publicly rebuff her proposals to maintain the City’s access to the EU single market.

Mrs May’s negotiating stance, to be fleshed out in a speech by Chancellor Philip Hammond on Wednesday, would allow UK-based institutions to continue to enjoy high levels of market access under a deal where Britain and the EU agreed a set of regulatory outcomes, even if they were achieved in different ways.

But Donald Tusk, the European Council president, is set to issue guidelines instructing EU negotiators that Britain will have to settle for a more orthodox free-trade agreement, as used in its trade pact with Canada. Such deals have only limited coverage of financial services.

https://twitter.com/financialtimes/status/971340121797812224?s=21

 

[Unhappy438]

I'm not here crying that because the ANC won, I will now move my business to Zimbabwe and because of that 15 000 people will lose their job. Either move or stfu... not that hard

You still dont get it (probably because you've been thoroughly consumed by propaganda). Businesses leaving the country is not because Brexit per say but because of the possible outcomes of the leave vote. Outcomes that have not been decided.

Businesses have every right to voice their concerns to government about certain issues to to explain to them if certain factors are involved then their businesses will be more profitable elsewhere. Any good government should take their concerns into consideration and perhaps try and accommodate them.

Just because someone votes x, doesn't mean discussion and free speech around x gets shut down despite your propaganda fueled authoritarian wishes.

 

[Pitbull]

Large companies do PR and lobbying. Here, they try to show that they want to stay but that it might be difficult.

An element that seems to be non-existent in your ruthless pitbullian world.

Right, so playing victim? Got it

 

[Pitbull]

You still dont get it (probably because you've been thoroughly consumed by propaganda). Businesses leaving the country is not because Brexit voted leave but because of the possible outcomes of the leave vote. Outcomes that have not been decided.

Businesses have every right to voice their concerns to government about certain issues to to explain to them if certain factors are involved then their businesses will be more profitable elsewhere. Any good government should take their concerns into consideration and perhaps try and accommodate them.

Just because someone votes x, doesn't mean discussion and free speech around x gets shut down despite your propaganda fueled authoritarian wishes.

As for the bold part... you seem to lack comprehension...

I never claimed free speech should be shut down. No idea where you got that from I'm saying, why make idle threats about people who will lose their jobs if X,Y and Z happens. Just leave. Simple. That gives both parties time to sort out the future post-Brexit.

Look at it this way, you have an issue with your manager and keep on threatening to quit unless this and this happens. Do you think you manager cares? Quit, so he can get a replacement, you find new employment where you're happy and the replacement is just happy to go with this they way they are. There is no need to play one thing of with another with idle threats. Just do it, and everyone can plan accordingly.

 

[Dave]

So Brexit won?

There was a vote to leave the EU, the vote was a marginal win but there was no vote to leave the single market. Many people also voted on a deception for example the £350m a week being given to the NHS.

In fact, many prominent brexiteers specifically stated that Brexit did not entail leaving the single market.

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market
Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market
Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave


Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing
Nigel Farage, Ukip leader

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people
Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

If you aren't aware, Norway is in the single market, Switzerland is in it for almost all aspects.

Video of them making the statements at the link: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...arage-anna-soubry_uk_582ce0a0e4b09025ba310fce

 

[Pitbull]

There was a vote to leave the EU, the vote was a marginal win but there was no vote to leave the single market. Many people also voted on a deception for example the £350m a week being given to the NHS.

Did the leave vote win? Yes or No?
It's not Astrophysics ....

In fact, many prominent brexiteers specifically stated that Brexit did not entail leaving the single market.



If you aren't aware, Norway is in the single market, Switzerland is in it for almost all aspects.

Video of them making the statements at the link: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...arage-anna-soubry_uk_582ce0a0e4b09025ba310fce

Did the leave campaign win?

 

[Unhappy438]

As for the bold part... you seem to lack comprehension...

I never claimed free speech should be shut down. No idea where you got that from I'm saying, why make idle threats about people who will lose their jobs if X,Y and Z happens. Just leave. Simple. That gives both parties time to sort out the future post-Brexit.

The narrative is so obvious here and you're not the only one, Chris is another one thats guilty. "The people voted leave so stop telling us about all the negatives around leaving."

Look at it this way, you have an issue with your manager and keep on threatening to quit unless this and this happens. Do you think you manager cares? Quit, so he can get a replacement, you find new employment where you're happy and the replacement is just happy to go with this they way they are. There is no need to play one thing of with another with idle threats. Just do it, and everyone can plan accordingly.

Firstly your example is terrible because it ignores the costs of an employee leaving a company vs a company leaving a country. Secondly if hundreds of important employees come to the manager with issues then a good manager will hear these issues and where reasonable will try and accommodate. You are yet to show us how the issues are unreasonable so all you are advocating for is bad management.

 

[buka001]

He worded that slightly ambiguously which has made some confusion, presently the UK builds wings for Airbus, but not fuselages. The wings have to go to France to be installed onto fuselages. Without a friction free process (like being in the single market) it's not cost effective for Airbus to build the wings in the UK and then send them to France for final assembly.

The motor industry has the same problem, with parts from all over Europe coming together at a specific plant for assembly. This doesn't just apply to Toyota.

Here's an article describing the car issue:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/03/brexit-uk-car-industry-mini-britain-eu

Look at the Mini example, some parts go France -> UK -> Germany -> UK

Yes.

Point is if these industries leave there will be a significant number of people will have no work.

Where will they work? As the UK does not have the capacity to suite those roles in such numbers.

I would guess many of the white collar workers would go with the companies, but the blue collar work force would be left looking for work.

An aircraft technician is not going to want to go and pick strawberries in the cold.

 

[Cray]

Look at it this way, you have an issue with your manager and keep on threatening to quit unless this and this happens. Do you think you manager cares? Quit, so he can get a replacement, you find new employment where you're happy and the replacement is just happy to go with this they way they are. There is no need to play one thing of with another with idle threats. Just do it, and everyone can plan accordingly.

If your manager values your contribution he will at the very least listen to your concerns. Any manager who flat out ignores the concerns of his staff is a crap manager.

 

[Dave]

Did the leave vote win? Yes or No?
It's not Astrophysics ....



Did the leave campaign win?

There was no leave vote or leave campaign to leave the single market, so no, they didn't win a vote to leave the single market.

By the way, you're beginning to look quite stupid trying to push a point long discredited in the UK.

 

[Dave]

Yes.

Point is if these industries leave there will be a significant number of people will have no work.

Where will they work? As the UK does not have the capacity to suite those roles in such numbers.

I would guess many of the white collar workers would go with the companies, but the blue collar work force would be left looking for work.

An aircraft technician is not going to want to go and pick strawberries in the cold.

True, but it seems the concept is slightly beyond Pitbulls comprehension, he just doesn't get it...