The Brexit Thread

[Unhappy438]

Why prolong the issue? You have a mandate, implement it and let the cards fall where they fall. Then take it from there. All everyone is saying now is: if this happens we'll do this. If this happens we'll do that. Take a farking stance and move on.

Companies expressing concern shouldn't prolong the issue, the politics between May and the EU is prolonging the issue. We agree somewhat here though, uncertainty is making the entire situation worse but that's exactly what companies are complaining about.

 

[f2wohf]

:erm: that was the reason for Brexit to begin with. You are fully aware of that, no idea why you being obtuse now

I thought it was the NHS, or the Polish...

The reason for Brexit was what politicians stated, it’s not written anywhere.

The facts are that British voted to leave the EU with no mention of the single market. Do you think the EU should also leave the European convention of human rights then?

 

[Pitbull]

Speaking of controlling the borders, the UK already was.

View attachment 505215

:erm: we have debated this before?

They didn;t have full border control. EU passport holders had full access to the UK as well as being able to work. So how does that elude to full control?

 

[Dave]

If a reasonable compromise cannot be found with respect to the common market with regard to leaving the EU, then the common market must be left as well in order for the will of the people to be satisfied.

No, the different question then should be put to the people to see if that is actually the will of the people.

As I have said, there has been no vote on that yet...

 

[Dave]

:erm: we have debated this before?

They didn;t have full border control. EU passport holders had full access to the UK as well as being able to work. So how does that elude* to full control?

EU passport holders did not have "full" (I presume you mean unconditional) access to the UK...


*Elude means to escape, do you mean allude?

 

[Pitbull]

I thought it was the NHS, or the Polish...

The reason for Brexit was what politicians stated, it’s not written anywhere.

So you knew all along...

The facts are that British voted to leave the EU with no mention of the single market. Do you think the EU should also leave the European convention of human rights then?

lol, not sure if serious

 

[Pitbull]

EU passport holders did not have "full" (I presume you mean unconditional) access to the UK...

Like I said, we had this discussion before. f2Wohf know exactly what I mean by saying full access.

 

[Dave]

Like I said, we had this discussion before. f2Wohf know exactly what I mean by saying full access.

But they didn't have "full access", it was conditional.

 

[f2wohf]

So you knew all along...



lol, not sure if serious

I’m asking you opinion, the single market is as European as the ECHR, why not leave it as well?

 

[Unhappy438]

Like I said, we had this discussion before. f2Wohf know exactly what I mean by saying full access.

The thing is, if they want to continue to do trade with Europe they are still going to have to allow their citizens into the country. This full control of their borders thing is another piece of propaganda.

 

[Xarog]

No, the different question then should be put to the people to see if that is actually the will of the people.

As I have said, there has been no vote on that yet...

The UK cannot be said to have left the EU if it is still subject to all EU laws. Thus the relationship that the UK has to the EU has to change in a way that impacts the common market regardless of what form the UK leaving the EU ultimately takes. I'm not saying the common market has to be sacrificed necessarily, but if the politicians can't come to a reasonable compromise that allows for the UK to actually leave the EU without leaving the common market, then to leave the EU they obviously have to leave the common market as well. Demanding a referendum on the common market and assuming the majority vote to keep it won't nullify the referendum result to leave the EU.

 

[Pitbull]

The thing is, if they want to continue to do trade with Europe they are still going to have to allow their citizens into the country. This full control of their borders thing is another piece of propaganda.

No one is denying anyone entry? You being deceitful on purpose? We trade with the UK, US and other countries and we require VISAs to enter and do business. We're not being denied access. No one is claiming build a 200m high wall and no one comes or goes :crylaugh:

 

[Dave]

The UK cannot be said to have left the EU if it is still subject to all EU laws.

Is Norway a member of the EU? Iceland? Lichtenstein?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

I’m asking you opinion, the single market is as European as the ECHR, why not leave it as well?

Yes. Why would the British want to be subject to European judges? We dont need nosy EU judges interfering in British affairs. Indeed one of David Cameron's ideas he spoke about was publishing a British bill of rights (never came to fruition). British law has a very long and proud tradition, starting with the magna Carta in the 13th century.

Britain also developed an entire legal system known as common law which has been adopted by almost the entire Commonwealth.

 

[Xarog]

Is Norway a member of the EU? Iceland? Lichtenstein?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Single_Market

The European Single Market, Internal Market or Common Market is a single market which seeks to guarantee the free movement of goods, capital, services, and labour – the "four freedoms" – within the European Union (EU).[1][2][3][4] The market encompasses the EU's 28 member states, and has been extended, with exceptions, to Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway through the Agreement on the European Economic Area and to Switzerland through bilateral treaties. Through the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area (DCFTA), three post-Soviet countries Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine were given access to the Single Market in selected sectors.[5] Turkey has access to the free movement of goods via its membership in the European Union Customs Union.[6]

You agree that Brexit necessitates the introduction of new exceptions, right? And that these exceptions will have to be agreed to by both sides, right?

 

[Dave]

Yes. Why would the British want to be subject to European judges? We dont need nosy EU judges interfering in British affairs. Indeed one of David Cameron's ideas he spoke about was publishing a British bill of rights (never came to fruition). British law has a very long and proud tradition, starting with the magna Carta in the 13th century.

As an Australian in SA maybe you should use less "we" in your ignorant nonsense. As someone who has never lived in the UK you have no right to be deciding what British people in the UK need or don't need.

By the way, there actually is a Bill of Rights, it went through Parliament 329 years ago...

 

[f2wohf]

Yes. Why would the British want to be subject to European judges? We dont need nosy EU judges interfering in British affairs. Indeed one of David Cameron's ideas he spoke about was publishing a British bill of rights (never came to fruition). British law has a very long and proud tradition, starting with the magna Carta in the 13th century.

Britain also developed an entire legal system known as common law which has been adopted by almost the entire Commonwealth.

It’s not European judges. I asked to show your plain ignorance being sure that somebody would bite.

The ECHR and the Council of Europe are not in anyway related to the EU, Ukraine, Russia and Turkey are members.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights

I made the analogy because you don’t need to be an EU member for the single market or for the ECHR.

Thanks, I’m a lawyer, I most likely studied more British law than you ever did...

I even have that in my office:

 

[Unhappy438]

No one is denying anyone entry? You being deceitful on purpose? We trade with the UK, US and other countries and we require VISAs to enter and do business. We're not being denied access. No one is claiming build a 200m high wall and no one comes or goes :crylaugh:

Perhaps i could have explained myself better but i feel you are being ignorant again. If the UK wants to do trade with the EU via say the single market then they will have to adopt specific immigration laws with the EU, just like Switzerland has done.

Read: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-deal-switzerland-immigration-uk-eurosceptics

 

[Unhappy438]

Also read Pitbull: https://euobserver.com/justice/136398

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

The thing is, if they want to continue to do trade with Europe they are still going to have to allow their citizens into the country. This full control of their borders thing is another piece of propaganda.

Tell me more about the freedom of movement between Canada and the EU in their recent trade agreement...