The Brexit Thread

[Dave]

Would you please stop arguing semantics

I'm surprised that a person who doesn't know the difference between elude and allude even knows what semantics are...

 

[Gtx Gaming]

Good friday agreement might be at risk?

 

[f2wohf]

Good friday agreement might be at risk?

I’m sure the ETA and the Corsicans have enough weapons hidden to give a hand to the IRA in case they need it.

Now the real interrogation, what will be the custom duty on this?

 

[Dave]

Good friday agreement might be at risk?

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The politicians still don't know what they're doing.

Just for a start, it would appear they need the consent of the Republic of Ireland to leave the ECHR, as it's a term of the Agreement (or bring in N-Irish specific legislation (which May's power brokers in the DUP won't allow).

The British Government will complete incorporation into Northern Ireland law of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), with direct access to the courts, and remedies for breach of the Convention, including power for the courts to overrule Assembly legislation on grounds of inconsistency.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/136652/agreement.pdf

https://www.ft.com/content/34a22284-0ff3-36a7-9e33-c010bbb2cd23

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Really? Reality is, they can and will do as they please. No amount of whining will stop them.

Fascinating. Is this how you think countries should function? Party X wins an election - everyone else should shut up, stop whining and let Party X do what they want because they won?

 

[Unhappy438]

Fascinating. Is this how you think countries should function? Party X wins an election - everyone else should shut up, stop whining and let Party X do what they want because they won?

There is ample evidence to show he likes himself a good dosage of authoritarianism. An opponent lays out an argument and he simply labels it as whining, the height of lazy intellectual reasoning. We all know he probably doesn't feel the same way about say the tea party protests.

Its funny though because hes essentially nailed himself to a post, any criticism of a ruling party i come across from him will be duly noted and pointed out. Perhaps at that point the propaganda wall hes erected around his logic and reasoning will be broken through somewhat.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

There is ample evidence to show he likes himself a good dosage of authoritarianism. An opponent lays out an argument and he simply labels it as whining, the height of lazy intellectual reasoning. We all know he probably doesn't feel the same way about say the tea party protests.

Its funny though because hes essentially nailed himself to a post, any criticism of a ruling party i come across from him will be duly noted and pointed out. Perhaps at that point the propaganda wall hes erected around his logic and reasoning will be broken through somewhat.

I suspect consistency is a bit of a pipe dream here.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Luxembourg's prime minister:

"They were in with a load of opt-outs. Now they are out, and want a load of opt-ins.”

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Not very surprising, of course.

Draft Starmer press release showing that Labour is working with Brussels

Guido can reveal the existence of a draft Keir Starmer press release that shows Labour has been working with Brussels on Brexit policy. The draft press release, which was written after Corbyn’s speech last week, would have boasted how Labour had “secured EU backing” for their customs union proposal. The statement would have said “it is understood” that the European Parliament’s Brexit Steering Group was set to “adapt its resolution to reflect the wording of Jeremy Corbyn’s customs union policy”. The press release was never sent but it has been leaked to Guido…

Labour secure EU backing for customs union proposal

Brussels officials have given their backing to Labour’s proposal for a new UK-EU comprehensive customs union.

Keir Starmer, Labour’s Shadow Brexit spokesperson, visited Brussels this week following Jeremy Corbyn’s speech in Coventry in Monday.

On Wednesday, Michel Barnier told journalists Corbyn’s proposal to keep UK in a customs union “offers a significant part of the solution for Ireland.”

Later this month the European Parliament is expected to adopt a resolution setting out its demands for the next phase of Brexit negotiations.

It is understood that following the Labour’s leader’s speech the Brexit Steering Group will adapt its resolution to reflect the wording of Jeremy Corbyn’s customs union policy – particularly proposals for a “comprehensive” customs union.

The backing of Corbyn’s Brexit stance from the EU Commission and Parliament will heap pressure on the Prime Minister to provide a credible solution to the border in Northern Ireland.

Why was Labour so keen to “secure EU backing” for their customs union policy? How and when did they secure this backing? How was it “understood” that the European Parliament was set to back their policy? Why was the press release never sent? Was it ditched after media speculation about Labour colluding with the EU? This appears to be evidence that Labour has been working with Brussels to undermine the UK negotiating position…

 

[Pitbull]

Fascinating. Is this how you think countries should function? Party X wins an election - everyone else should shut up, stop whining and let Party X do what they want because they won?

Never claimed that is how it should function

That is the reality, so either deal with the situation of GTFO. No amount of whining or crying will change the situation. But that is too higher grade for you to understand I guess.

 

[Pitbull]

There is ample evidence to show he likes himself a good dosage of authoritarianism. An opponent lays out an argument and he simply labels it as whining, the height of lazy intellectual reasoning. We all know he probably doesn't feel the same way about say the tea party protests.

Its funny though because hes essentially nailed himself to a post, any criticism of a ruling party i come across from him will be duly noted and pointed out. Perhaps at that point the propaganda wall hes erected around his logic and reasoning will be broken through somewhat.

I recall me and you having a discussion and you disappeared. You now back to ride on ODs tail? (He's a big boy, doesn't need your support ) Maybe go back to the discussion you and I had and answer that instead...

 

[Xarog]

Not very surprising, of course.

Draft Starmer press release showing that Labour is working with Brussels

UK needs someone like Trump negotiating for them.

 

[C4Cat]

Not very surprising, of course.

Draft Starmer press release showing that Labour is working with Brussels

This is good, if true, while May is floundering and going nowhere, at least labour is moving forward with these negotiations.

 

[Xarog]

This is good, if true, while May is floundering and going nowhere, at least labour is moving forward with these negotiations.

Yes, Labour should definitely take their cues from the other side that's trying to get as much out of the deal as possible.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Never claimed that is how it should function

That is the reality, so either deal with the situation of GTFO. No amount of whining or crying will change the situation. But that is too higher grade for you to understand I guess.

So... That's a yes, then?

 

[Xarog]

So... That's a yes, then?

Not unless you know how to cross the is/ought gap in philosophy.

 

[Pitbull]

So... That's a yes, then?

Yea, way above your level of understanding...

Nothing more to add :crylaugh:

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

This is good, if true, while May is floundering and going nowhere, at least labour is moving forward with these negotiations.

In what universe is it a good thing to actively circumvent official negotiations to further your deluded agenda?!? They have no mandate or authority and cannot commit to anything tangible anyway.

It is essentially treason, are we applauding treason now? :wtf:

 

[Xarog]

In what universe is it a good thing to actively circumvent official negotiations to further your deluded agenda?!? They have no mandate or authority and cannot commit to anything tangible anyway.

It is essentially treason, are we applauding treason now? :wtf:

Did you see this one? :

Nobody said he should put the interests ahead of the UK ahead of the EU. But there is a difference between favouring the EU and bargaining along those lines, and favouring the EU such that you pretend to negotiate an equitable exit while doing everything in your power to subvert the entire process because you think the EU is better off being a monolithic entity that gets to dictate to the puny Brits what's what.

Whatever... he represents the EU and is on the opposing side of the negotiating table to the UK - the UK's interests are not his concern...

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Is there any reason a random blog's claims should be considered credible on this?

The comments section is filled with deranged loons it seems.