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f2wohf said:
What puzzles me is how they intend to do now what they failed to do for years? And they have no room for error since they'll be forced to do it.

Implementing an immigration strategy and control while being the EU and make sure it works before going for Brexit would have been a much smoother and rational approach.
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They haven't done it, because it's economic folly.
 
f2wohf said:
My opinion of him would get me banned if I expressed it as there is no way to express it politely.

Clown is more of a cute nickname compared to it.
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I am sure that what you think can be said politely. Charles Moore was once his editor at the Daily Telegraph, and recently wrote of him in a column in the Telegraph. He made his faults clear, and his positive attributes. Despite the inference that can be drawn from what you say, most people have at least some good characteristics as well as some bad or less good. It is not sensible to be too black and white about people. If Charles Moore can, so can you.

Give it a try?
 
It is interesting that the statement by Michel Barnier regarding a deal appears to be something that he has said before rather than a sudden concession or climb down as it has been portrayed.
 
noxibox said:
It is interesting that the statement by Michel Barnier regarding a deal appears to be something that he has said before rather than a sudden concession or climb down as it has been portrayed.
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Well duh, Brexiteers are so desperate to prove that they are not bumbling incompetents that they'll claim anything.
 
People have a right to vote to exit Brexit now that's real democracy at work.
 
Things going well.

Tories in civil war after Boris Johnson Brexit 'suicide vest' remarks

The Conservative party has erupted into open civil war after forceful criticism of Boris Johnson over his description of Theresa May’s Brexit plan as a “suicide vest” prompted counter-accusations of a “project smear” by Downing Street.

The furious exchanges, in which a leading Tory backbencher said she would probably quit the party if Johnson became leader, herald a turbulent run-up to the party’s conference this month, which is likely to be dominated by intertwined rows over Brexit and the successor to Theresa May.

Following days of detailed reports about Johnson’s convoluted personal life after he and his wife of 25 years, Marina Wheeler, announced they were divorcing, the new row was prompted by his renewed criticism of May’s Chequers plan.
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OrbitalDawn said:
Things going well.

Tories in civil war after Boris Johnson Brexit 'suicide vest' remarks
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Coupled with more good news for the Brexit bunch.

Bombshell poll reveals heavy union backing for second Brexit vote

Survey of Unite, Unison and GMB members reveals 2-1 support for new referendum

Members of Britain’s three biggest trade unions now support a new referendum on Brexit by a margin of more than two to one, according to a bombshell poll that will cause political shockwaves on the eve of the party conference season.

The survey of more than 2,700 members of Unite, Unison and the GMB by YouGov, for the People’s Vote campaign, also finds that a clear majority of members of the three unions now back staying in the EU, believing Brexit will be bad for jobs and living standards.

The poll found that members of Unite, the country’s biggest union, and Labour’s largest financial backer, now support a referendum on the final Brexit deal by 59% to 33% and support staying in the EU by 61% to 35%. GMB’s members support putting the issue back to the people by 56% to 33% and its members want the UK to stay in the EU by 55% to 37%.

Unison members back another referendum by 66% to 22% and would opt to stay in the EU by 61% to 35%.

Union members think standards of living will deteriorate as a result of Brexit by a margin of around four to one (Unite members by 55% to 11%, Unison members by 61% to 16%, and GMB members by 49% to 11%).

They also believe Brexit will worsen, not improve, job opportunities (Unite members by 57% to 16%, Unison members by 52% to 27%, and GMB members by 43% to 18%).

Despite claims that workers are overwhelmingly against immigration, members of all three unions want to prioritise trade over controlling immigration (Unison members by 68% to 22%, Unite members by 65% to 27%, and GMB members by 58% to 32%).

Last week Tim Roache, the GMB’s general secretary, announced that his union would back another referendum after consulting its 620,000 members. Roache, who will address a People’s Vote March for the Many on the opening day of Labour’s conference, said the country did not vote for a “no deal” Brexit or to damage the economy.

“In trade union terms, if we negotiate a pay deal for our members we put that deal back to the members and they decide whether that’s acceptable or not.”
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https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Can't wait for the mental gymnastics to start claiming the unions are actually the elites and the likes of Rees-Mogg and Johnson are salt of the earth, regular folks.
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If the unions start getting involved it might make things a bit difficult. It might be one thing the ultra right Tories can’t ignore, none of them are a Thatcher.
 
I am in the UK on a very large international construction project. The project is for a French company.

Currently what I can see is that there are a series of the unknown futures with respect to the UK position with Euratom, unknown how this will affect the project and the UK nuclear industry after Dec 2020 ( they have negotiated something from March 2019 to December 2020).

It is evident that there will be increased costs because of import tariffs, increased delays due to material delivery delays because of the unknown cross border implications. This is because a large majority of our material supplies are EU sourced. The reason for this is there is absolutely NO capacity in the UK for these specialist items. To get anything set up would take several years, especially considering it took the approved suppliers (well established) 1-2 years to get approval by the respective regulators.

Since 60% of the white collar workforce is EU, we have been informed that the current status quo of the EU workers will not be in effect from March 2019 and we are to plan for a major disruption as many individuals may lose their right to work in the UK.

Now considering that we can only fill 75% of our required positions, sourcing from a EU and UK workforce pool, I shudder to think how we could find more people if we are forced to loose many of our workforce. No one wants to work here as London sites offer far more attraction to engineers and so forth.
 
Is unions must do what they do in south Africa all the better
Dave said:
If the unions start getting involved it might make things a bit difficult. It might be one thing the ultra right Tories can’t ignore, none of them are a Thatcher.
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What was supposed to happen happened.

London loses top financial centre ranking to New York

London has lost its crown as the world’s top financial centre to New York, rankings show, in a sign that uncertainty over Brexit is starting to harm the UK capital’s attractiveness. Banks, brokers and other financial services firms in London are already drawing up plans to shift resources elsewhere in the EU to ensure they can still trade with the bloc once Britain leaves next March. The global financial centres index by Z/Yen, which ranks cities based on factors such as regulation, wages and infrastructure, showed that New York had toppled London to take the top place for the first time since 2015.

Meanwhile, several European cities — including Frankfurt, Amsterdam and Zurich — rose “significantly” in the rankings, the report said, adding that they may be “the main beneficiaries of the uncertainty caused by Brexit”.
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https://www.ft.com/content/fdf97894-b687-11e8-bbc3-ccd7de085ffe
 
JPMorgan Brexit plans now 'past point of no return', with as many as 4,000 staff set to move from UK

Mark Garvin, vice chairman of JPMorgan’s corporate and investment banking arm, told the Commons Treasury Committeethat the bank was already well underway with plans that began in August 2016 to move operations to the continent.

“We are now in full execution mode,” Mr Garvin told MPs.

“We are in the very advanced phases of execution, in fact. A number of these initiatives are already in flight and in many cases we have passed the point of no return – they are happening.”

The US bank will migrate its commercial banking to Luxembourg and merge its European wealth management arm with its office in the principality. Frankfurt will host its investment banking and markets business.

Responding to a question referencing JPMorgan’s estimate that at least 4,000 of its 16,000 UK jobs could be moved, Mr Garvin said the eventual numbers would depend on the form of the Brexit deal.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ve-london-eu-luxembourg-no-deal-a8532691.html
 
Listening to the radio this morning and they were interviewing people who voted to leave, but are now regretting that vote. They were all saying how they never understood the implications or what it meant.

Maybe if they didn't read the fn Daily Mail everyday they would have seen that the predictions for this reality were abundant and clear.
 
buka001 said:
Listening to the radio this morning and they were interviewing people who voted to leave, but are now regretting that vote. They were all saying how they never understood the implications or what it meant.
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Did they go and look for them / stage it or was it legit and random? Fits the narrative too well imo

buka001 said:
Maybe if they didn't read the fn Daily Mail everyday they would have seen that the predictions for this reality were abundant and clear.
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The lies were abundant in all directions, the clarity is still non existent though.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Did they go and look for them / stage it or was it legit and random? Fits the narrative too well imo


The lies were abundant in all directions, the clarity is still non existent though.
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Not going to argue as it’s most likely impossible to prove but my feeling is that the lies were very much on one side.
 
f2wohf said:
Not going to argue as it’s most likely impossible to prove but my feeling is that the lies were very much on one side.
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When the official minister of finance (or whatever the portfolio is called in the UK) comes out and provides numbers of the net effect it would have on the economy when it is in fact incalculable, that is a lie of epic proportions.

and that's just one example of many on the bremoan side
 
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