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Anyone who thinks the UK will have no trade deals already lined up with countries all over the world for when it exits the EU is just a little bit naive.
 
We know they've been talking to various countries, but that's not the same as having worked out a trade deal. If they were done deals I'd expect Boris to be crowing about them as leverage.

We also know there is bipartisan support for blocking a trade deal in the US if the UK messes up the Good Friday Agreement.
 
noxibox said:
We know they've been talking to various countries, but that's not the same as having worked out a trade deal. If they were done deals I'd expect Boris to be crowing about them as leverage.

We also know there is bipartisan support for blocking a trade deal in the US if the UK messes up the Good Friday Agreement.
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As a member of the EU, they're probably legally not even allowed to say anything yet regarding any new deals. So it's wise for Boris to keep his mouth shut until 1 November.
 
isnt it amazing how quickly trade can be cancelled and redirected when there is a call to sanction something. but for some reason to do it now is impossible complicated.

it makes me think of a tired child dragging their feet when they dont feel like doing something.
 
Much more likely is that they don't have any new trade deals just waiting to be signed.

access said:
isnt it amazing how quickly trade can be cancelled and redirected when there is a call to sanction something. but for some reason to do it now is impossible complicated.

it makes me think of a tired child dragging their feet when they dont feel like doing something.
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What trade deal?
 
noxibox said:
We also know there is bipartisan support for blocking a trade deal in the US if the UK messes up the Good Friday Agreement.
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from an insignificantly small special interest group ... bipartisan just means at least one member of each party, is there majority support? Because that is what you would need to actually do something ...
 
The Voice said:
Anyone who thinks the UK will have no trade deals already lined up with countries all over the world for when it exits the EU is just a little bit naive.
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Front page of the Sunday Times (UK).

Tell me how everything is well prepared and business are all going to be fine?
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access said:
wooosh
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You didn't mention what trade deal is proving difficult to terminate in the way one is suspended for the purpose of sanctions. Typically countries don't sanction themselves by suspending their trade deals. Rather it is done to them. This is about leaving the EU though, and doing so with minimal disruption to trade.
 
noxibox said:
You didn't mention what trade deal is proving difficult to terminate in the way one is suspended for the purpose of sanctions. Typically countries don't sanction themselves by suspending their trade deals. Rather it is done to them. This is about leaving the EU though, and doing so with minimal disruption to trade.
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i was speaking in a hypothetical sense.

in a sanction scenario both sides of trade is affected, people they are trading with and people trading with them. what ever needs to be done is done quickly and efficiently with immediate repercussions. this british exit from the eu has been seen coming since 2016 but it seems there is no will to adjust trading methods and make provisioning for documentation.

unless of course the eu is making this as hard as possible for a country to reestablish their own independence, which sets a "great" example of their hospitality.

once youre in, dare you leave...
 
So if the costs of Brexit No deal are transferred to suppliers, what happens to that supply line?
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access said:
i was speaking in a hypothetical sense.

in a sanction scenario both sides of trade is affected, people they are trading with and people trading with them. what ever needs to be done is done quickly and efficiently with immediate repercussions. this british exit from the eu has been seen coming since 2016 but it seems there is no will to adjust trading methods and make provisioning for documentation.

unless of course the eu is making this as hard as possible for a country to reestablish their own independence, which sets a "great" example of their hospitality.

once youre in, dare you leave...
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Hence why this is not the same thing. Neither side wanted a sanctions scenario. Simply terminating any trade relationship with the EU is easy, but the consequences of doing so are serious.

The exit cannot have been seen coming because the UK government still can't agree on how to exit. Big companies have been making worst case scenario plans for years. They can afford to do it. If they're wrong they'll just absorb the cost. So they'll set up everything so they can move to the continent if the exit interferes with their business. They can have everything set up to stay in the UK, in case that is the better option when the time comes, and set up their internal processes ready to go. They can plan for two offices. Smaller businesses just can't do all this. The cost of backing the wrong option can wipe them out.

The UK was given completely reasonable options. The UK government has instead decided to make it as hard as possible. It is made harder because they rely on the DUP nutters to maintain their hold on power in the UK. Of the Conservatives some are all for leaving without any deal, as they stand to benefit personally from that scenario. The rest want to a deal. But some don't want to stay in the EEA and they don't want a border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. The EU wants that border because they're looking out for one of their member states.

As far as I can see the EU has been quite reasonable and the deal they offered gave the UK a way to smoothly shift away from being a member of the union.
 
buka001 said:
Front page of the Sunday Times (UK).
Tell me how everything is well prepared and business are all going to be fine?
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buka001 said:
So if the costs of Brexit No deal are transferred to suppliers, what happens to that supply line?
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1: you should read less FUD-porn, confirmation bias is deadly to critical thought
2: 'The Voice' never said everything is well prepared and businesses are all going to be fine, so why bother asking him? He merely said trade deals will be lined up.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
1: you should read less FUD-porn, confirmation bias is deadly to critical thought
2: 'The Voice' never said everything is well prepared and businesses are all going to be fine, so why bother asking him? He merely said trade deals will be lined up.
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Yet, the Editorial waxed at length how their cover story is not as bad as they say it is.

If trade deals were lined up, these predictions would not be the most likely scenario, according to the Government.
 
Freedom of movement into the UK will be banned from October 31 in the event of a no deal exit, as Priti Patel signals there will be no grace period

Excellent news :cool:

Freedom of movement by European Union nationals into the UK will be end overnight from October 31 in the event of a no deal Brexit, Priti Patel has signalled.

Theresa May's government had wanted to crack down on freedom of movement as soon as possible after the UK left once new legislation had passed through Parliament.

This would have meant a new Immigration and Social Security Co-Ordination Bill would have had to be on the Statute Book before the curbs could be implemented.

However with time running out before the UK's expected exit from the EU, the new Home Secretary has made clear that she wants the tough new approach to apply at the UK's borders as soon as Britain has left the EU.

The tough stance risks throwing airports into chaos, if it is strictly applied when families return from their October school half term breaks.

Under plans being considered by the Home Office, Britain could implement a tough Singapore-style immigration system to count people into and out of the UK.
Ms Patelhas sent officials to Singapore to "understand how a well functioning immigration IT system is developed. Specifically, ensuring we can count people in and out the country".

She has also put "rocket boosters on wider no deal planning, bringing in daily delivery meetings and strict new reporting to hold".

A source close to Ms Patel told The Daily Telegraph last night: "We are leaving the EU on the 31st October and putting in place plans to ensure the border is ready.

"The public do not want an immigration system which facilitates cross-border crime and restricts the Government' ability to remove convicted criminals just because they come from an EU country.

Voters expected politicians to have sorted this already." Ms Patel is intent on making sure that the Home Office is seen as much tougher on immigration than under her predecessor Sajid Javid/
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