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buka001 said:
Projecting much? Keep crying when the ANC wins again.
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an excellent point, we thoroughly deserve the ANC, because we're fahking retarded and we keep voting for them
you don't like it, then leave

the same goes for USA and UK, the people voted, you don't like it? leave!
 
Brexit: Lower British courts to overrule EU law

Boris Johnson has split the cabinet with a plan to give British judges new powers to overturn rulings by the European Court of Justice, The Times has learnt.

Theresa May’s government agreed to transfer all existing European Union case law into British law after Brexit, a decision opposed by Eurosceptics in the Conservative Party. The commitment meant that only the Supreme Court in England and the High Court of Justiciary in Scotland would be allowed to “depart” from EU case law.

A new clause in Mr Johnson’s withdrawal agreement bill will let lower courts overturn ECJ rulings. MPs will vote on the bill on Friday.

Mr Johnson has argued that Britain should “take back control of our laws” and the change will be celebrated by his party as restoring the sovereignty of the justice system. It will mean that British courts can rule on existing EU case law dealing with issues such as holiday entitlement, sick leave, maximum working hours, VAT and flight compensation.
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Rosaudio said:
Half do.
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So, of the parties that were pro Brexit, their shares of the votes were:
Tory: 43.6%
DUP: 0.8%
Brexit Party: 2%
UKIP: 0.1%

For a total of 46.5% of the vote

Labour got 32.2% of the vote, but not everyone who voted for Labour is pro-Remain. Remember, Labour wanted a second referendum, and were neutral about the issue. We don't know how many people that still voted Labour this election, wanted Brexit to occur.

If we assume that one quarter of Labour voters were pro-Leave, then that means you can add 8% of votes to 46.5% which gets you to 54.% of the votes. And this is being conservative about the number of Labour voters who want to Leave.

If a second referendum were to happen today, more than half the country would vote for Leave, I'm pretty sure of that. Unless you want to tell me that NOBODY who voted for Labour would vote for Leave.
 
Ancalagon said:
So, of the parties that were pro Brexit, their shares of the votes were:
Tory: 43.6%
DUP: 0.8%
Brexit Party: 2%
UKIP: 0.1%

For a total of 46.5% of the vote

Labour got 32.2% of the vote, but not everyone who voted for Labour is pro-Remain. Remember, Labour wanted a second referendum, and were neutral about the issue. We don't know how many people that still voted Labour this election, wanted Brexit to occur.

If we assume that one quarter of Labour voters were pro-Leave, then that means you can add 8% of votes to 46.5% which gets you to 54.% of the votes. And this is being conservative about the number of Labour voters who want to Leave.

If a second referendum were to happen today, more than half the country would vote for Leave, I'm pretty sure of that. Unless you want to tell me that NOBODY who voted for Labour would vote for Leave.
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Meh... they didn't know what they were voting for :giggle:
 
noxibox said:
Probably a bit more than half. Which is why the leave side have fought so hard to avoid doing another referendum.
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If people really wanted to remain that badly they could have voted libdem.
 
Ancalagon said:
So, of the parties that were pro Brexit, their shares of the votes were:
Tory: 43.6%
DUP: 0.8%
Brexit Party: 2%
UKIP: 0.1%

For a total of 46.5% of the vote

Labour got 32.2% of the vote, but not everyone who voted for Labour is pro-Remain. Remember, Labour wanted a second referendum, and were neutral about the issue. We don't know how many people that still voted Labour this election, wanted Brexit to occur.

If we assume that one quarter of Labour voters were pro-Leave, then that means you can add 8% of votes to 46.5% which gets you to 54.% of the votes. And this is being conservative about the number of Labour voters who want to Leave.

If a second referendum were to happen today, more than half the country would vote for Leave, I'm pretty sure of that. Unless you want to tell me that NOBODY who voted for Labour would vote for Leave.
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Two reasons for the North and Midlands Red Wall falling were Brexit (that Labour had gone from "impartial" to pushing for a 2nd referendum) and the fact that most of them felt Corbyn didn't represent them - they really just didn't like him at all, either.

Labour voters - as in the traditional working class from mining towns, not the modern, middle class, city dwellers that make up the bulk of their voters now - don't subscribe to the radical political ideals currently being put forward by Momentum. They don't like hearing things like "far Left" and "Socialism" especially when it's coming from the party they, their parents and their grandparents voted for. They don't like people being anti-British, either, and Labour appeared to be more in favour of the EU and shipping in more immigrants, than their own country and countrymen.

Boris, and the Tories, represented Team GB. Brexit. Centrist policies. They represented safety. With an uncertain future potentially looming with Brexit imminent, you want safety and security. You don't want someone who's going to try a socialist experiment with the country you love just to see what happens.
 
buka001 said:
Like living in a country where your vote never counts because of the ANC?
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South Africa switched to proportional representation so that there was a high chance your vote would count. As in you'd get some representation. In a UK constituency if 51 people vote for one party and 49 vote for another party the votes of the 49 don't count at all and they get zero representation in government. It makes no sense that the Brexit Party can get 2% of the votes and yet those voters get no representation. Yet the DUP with a mere 0.8% have 8 seats, and the Social Democratic & Labour Party with a mere 0.4% have 2 seats. The only people who defend the system are those who happen to benefit from the skewed representation it creates.
 
noxibox said:
South Africa switched to proportional representation so that there was a high chance your vote would count. As in you'd get some representation. In a UK constituency if 51 people vote for one party and 49 vote for another party the votes of the 49 don't count at all and they get zero representation in government. It makes no sense that the Brexit Party can get 2% of the votes and yet those voters get no representation. Yet the DUP with a mere 0.8% have 8 seats, and the Social Democratic & Labour Party with a mere 0.4% have 2 seats. The only people who defend the system are those who happen to benefit from the skewed representation it creates.
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The representation isn't skewed. It's just at a local level exactly were it should be.
You can apply the same idea to SA if you look at how people vote in municipal by-elections.
 
krycor said:
So yah.. if EU allows them the free ride they aiming for, every country in the EU will bolt. So the answer is nope.. they gonna suffer. Will be interesting if US signs a deal which is abused haha.
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The UK still needs an EU exit that doesn't destabilise Ireland. If they don't get that they're going to have a hard time getting a trade deal with the US.
 
noxibox said:
South Africa switched to proportional representation so that there was a high chance your vote would count. As in you'd get some representation. In a UK constituency if 51 people vote for one party and 49 vote for another party the votes of the 49 don't count at all and they get zero representation in government. It makes no sense that the Brexit Party can get 2% of the votes and yet those voters get no representation. Yet the DUP with a mere 0.8% have 8 seats, and the Social Democratic & Labour Party with a mere 0.4% have 2 seats. The only people who defend the system are those who happen to benefit from the skewed representation it creates.
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I'm not sure it will ever change. The Tories and Labour are very much in favour of it - though, that might change now that the latter got crushed because of it. They forced a hung Parliament last election because of it, and were certain they were going to win this time round because of it, too. They lost now because the majority of their voters are in the major cities which, as we know, don't really count for much with regards to the outcome of an election.

Always found that really interesting: the system has been fine as long as Labour have won, but now that they lost they want to change it - in addition to lowering the voting age to 16. It's like no matter how many times they lose, they outright refuse to ever look in the mirror. They always point their fingers at a broken system, or bigotry, racism, etc, that cost them votes. Very few Labour MP's have actually come out and said "yeah, listen, we lost because we were ****. We need to seriously reassess who we are and what we stand for now, because it isn't working". It's always someone else's fault, right?

Unless, of course, you win. Then the system is perfect, and working as intended.
 
The Voice said:
I'm not sure it will ever change. The Tories and Labour are very much in favour of it - though, that might change now that the latter got crushed because of it. They forced a hung Parliament last election because of it, and were certain they were going to win this time round because of it, too. They lost now because the majority of their voters are in the major cities which, as we know, don't really count for much with regards to the outcome of an election.

Always found that really interesting: the system has been fine as long as Labour have won, but now that they lost they want to change it - in addition to lowering the voting age to 16. It's like no matter how many times they lose, they outright refuse to ever look in the mirror. They always point their fingers at a broken system, or bigotry, racism, etc, that cost them votes. Very few Labour MP's have actually come out and said "yeah, listen, we lost because we were ****. We need to seriously reassess who we are and what we stand for now, because it isn't working". It's always someone else's fault, right?

Unless, of course, you win. Then the system is perfect, and working as intended.
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Same with the Democrats in the States. Similar to the UK, the system there makes sure that people in rural areas have their votes count.

Which I can't say that I disagree with - I mean how do you weight it up? Is it a good thing if the sheer mass of people living in the cities means that whatever they say, goes?

If the rural areas are falling to pieces, no one cares. The people in the cities don't.
 
Ancalagon said:
If a second referendum were to happen today, more than half the country would vote for Leave, I'm pretty sure of that. Unless you want to tell me that NOBODY who voted for Labour would vote for Leave.
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I hate referencing polls.. but not according to the polls.

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Rosaudio said:
I hate referencing polls.. but not according to the polls.

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As I say, look at the election results.

Not counting Labour, 46.5% of people voted for Leave, 11.2% (Lib Dem) voted for remain, and 32.2% - well we aren't sure exactly whether they would have voted leave or remain.

But I highly highly highly doubt that all 32.2% of people who voted for Labour would have voted Remain, because otherwise they would have voted Lib Dem, no?
 
Ancalagon said:
As I say, look at the election results.

Not counting Labour, 46.5% of people voted for Leave, 11.2% (Lib Dem) voted for remain, and 32.2% - well we aren't sure exactly whether they would have voted leave or remain.

But I highly highly highly doubt that all 32.2% of people who voted for Labour would have voted Remain, because otherwise they would have voted Lib Dem, no?
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You're forgetting that not all Conservative voters will have voted leave/would vote leave in a 2nd ref. Remember that they were a remain party until 3 years ago.
 
Rosaudio said:
You're forgetting that not all Conservative voters will have voted leave/would vote leave in a 2nd ref. Remember that they were a remain party until 3 years ago.
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Yes, and they've been leave for 3 years. Boris Johnson was unambiguous about what a vote for the Tories meant - it meant a vote for Brexit.
 
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