The Elections Thread - 7 May 2014

Which party you will vote for in the 2014 election?

  • ANC

    Votes: 13 2.8%

  • DA

    Votes: 379 81.9%

  • COPE

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • EFF

    Votes: 14 3.0%

  • FF+

    Votes: 13 2.8%

  • IFP

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • NFP

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • ACDP

    Votes: 5 1.1%

  • AGANG

    Votes: 8 1.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 27 5.8%
  • Total voters
    463
Traitor!...

Then again, not entirely sure we want you New Yorker types to become Saffers... :p
 
Chris said:
That's based on the assumption that people who don't vote would have voted for opposition. Quick example:

100 people in a ward - 50 ANC voters, 45 DA voters, 5 other parties

On election day everyone votes except 10 ANC voters, so now the DA has the ward. How did non-voting help the ANC?
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Read an article about this.

In the current situation where less and less people are voting the absentee vote is not going in favor of the majority anymore.
It just lessens the gap between the smaller parties and the majority.

If the DA voters that are currently voting stay away from voting it will count in favor of the ANC.

Currently dissolution is more in the ANC's camp.
 
STS said:
False. A vote for no one is a vote for no one. If i want to vote for the ANC, i cannot simply NOT vote and hope they'll win :)
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Actually true. As they are basically guaranteed the majority, but not voting for the opposition you're helping the ANC.
 
Chris said:
That's based on the assumption that people who don't vote would have voted for opposition. Quick example:

100 people in a ward - 50 ANC voters, 45 DA voters, 5 other parties

On election day everyone votes except 10 ANC voters, so now the DA has the ward. How did non-voting help the ANC?
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Those are made up numbers.

Last election ANC was around 60% and DA 15%. By not voting for the opposition you aren't doing anything to stop the ANC majority. AKA helping them.
 
The DA no longer have my vote or my support.

None of the other parties are doing anything I approve of.
 
AstroTurf said:
The DA no longer have my vote or my support.

None of the other parties are doing anything I approve of.
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You said above that you've previously voted ANC, now the DA no longer has your support...

So you really can't find anybody worth voting for in the crapload of available options? If that really is the case then please abstain.
 
Chris said:
That's based on the assumption that people who don't vote would have voted for opposition. Quick example:

100 people in a ward - 50 ANC voters, 45 DA voters, 5 other parties

On election day everyone votes except 10 ANC voters, so now the DA has the ward. How did non-voting help the ANC?
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Most of the people here who have said they're not voting wouldn't have voted ANC anyway, so in effect it does strengthen them, as per this post.
 
AstroTurf said:
If they put someone competent in place of Zuma I may vote ANC.
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Why? Zuma is a symptom, not the problem. He rose to the top of the ANC and still enjoys their support. It's the party that's the problem, not Zuma.

What has the ANC done that you think they deserve your vote in this election?

AstroTurf said:
Other than that, anything but the DA.
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Why? I suspect I'll be hearing another irrational answer...

I note how no-one has provided any actual policies of the DA that they regard as indicative of the 'nanny state' they so despise, or the 'police state' as one poster called them.
 
I'll take a nanny-state over a lawless state any day.
 
Wyzak said:
Simple really. A lot of the posters are suggesting that you might as well not vote if you decide to vote for a small party. biometrics has correctly pointed out that this is patently not true, because those small parties still have seats in parliament (if they get enough votes) and they still have a say when it comes to the day to day running of the country. They more often than not side with the opposition.

Your reason for not voting for a small party, does not correspond with the reasons mentioned above so that exempts you from it, but only you and others that feel like you. The argument of the people mentioned above is however not the same as yours.
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I understand his view, now point for him to **** on my view just because he doesnt understand it. Believe it or not, there are many reasons many people will not vote for smaller parties and not once have I ever said that someone shouldnt vote for a small party. I dont care if you vote for the smallest party. Its probably not useful, but its your right.
 
Arthur said:
My fave election slogan:

No matter who you vote for the government still gets in.
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... and in related news. At female beauty contents... for some reason... a beautiful female always wins.

The whole point of having a government election is to make choose your government.
 
Arthur said:
Nonsense. They almost always vote the opposite way. Even when the DA votes with the ANC, the ACDP typically votes the other way. And you know it.
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You are totally wrong. Even on abortion issues, where the ACDP should have a very clear mandate on what they should be voting... they prefer to abstain rather than go against an ANC vote. Which province are you in that the ACDP does not vote ANC, because here in the EC they are almost the same thing. If you would like the phone number of a member of parliament to confirm this I will be happy to provide it. Just PM me.
 
Chevron said:
Those are made up numbers.

Last election ANC was around 60% and DA 15%. By not voting for the opposition you aren't doing anything to stop the ANC majority. AKA helping them.
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What of people who won't vote for anyone but the ANC, but are too irritated with the ANC to actually vote for them? You're assuming that they have a preference for an opposition party. I think there was a thread on here that "traditional" ANC voters would rather not vote for the ANC than vote for someone else.

OrbitalDawn said:
Most of the people here who have said they're not voting wouldn't have voted ANC anyway, so in effect it does strengthen them, as per this post.
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This forum is not in anyway representative of the South Africa voting public though. I'd suspect the overwhelming number of people on here are white and middle-class. In other words, a typical DA voter. The voting results in this thread are therefore of no surprise to me.
 
let me explain ...

zuma is the symptom of the anc (to show it) does have a problem. it is not entirely true. (assuming before when anc didn't have a problem then there would not have a symptom like zuma)

in fact anc is a cause and zuma is a product. (anc is a factory to manufacture faulty products like zuma. i.e. anc will produce thousands of thousands faulty corrupted people (products) like zuma.)
 
biometrics said:
Repost it then, there's ten pages here already.
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R13 was complaining about the nanny policies, to which OrbitalDawn asked:

OrbitalDawn said:
Same question as to R13... Which policies specifically?
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biometrics said:
Liquor law would be one. And don't tell me it's been changed as on the ground it has not, for whatever reason - red tape my guess.
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To which I responded. What other nanny laws? There must be a lot the way you and R13 go one, so I wanna know the complete list so I can investigate.

Right now the only two reasons I have really seen in this thread to not vote DA are:

1) Boozers cant always get their booze when they want to
2) DA spam

My vote is based on issues like health, crime, access to education, dealing with corruption, addressing inequality, etc etc. But I can see how some people can base their vote on issues like getting spam.... or wanting more booze.

I guess people for vote for different reasons.
 
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