the_second
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I'm gonna be there in December. Has Telkom improved its capping policies for international bandwidth? I know local its changed to like 30gb but I don't need that. I need a damn uncapped ISP
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I'm gonna be there in December. Has Telkom improved its capping policies for international bandwidth? I know local its changed to like 30gb but I don't need that. I need a damn uncapped ISP
Cloud
Expert Member
Ok, my attempt at averting a flame war failed 
So, taking into account the notion that horde had far less players initially, why would moving over to horde from alliance alleviate the queue times? It takes two to tango.
So then why did those players go over to the horde side? It wasn't for the PVE benefits, and also not for PVP gear, since PVP gear pre-x realm BG was either ****e blues or unattainable epics for everyone but the 1% who had the time to farm Grand Marshall / High Warlord gear.
People like horde because they are perceived as the evil/rebel/warmongers etc. of the game. They look like beasts and offer the player something non-boring (in their opinion) to look at. But above all they are better at PVP, they win most BG's thus get gear (since the PVP gear upgrade) faster and this translates into an easier transition into Arena's.
That's not even considering the racials:
*Will of the Forsaken
*Warstomp
*Aoe silence (lol)
*Hardiness
*Berserking
*Tauren HP bonus etc.
Compared to:
*Stoneform
*Treasue finding (haha)
*Shadowmeld
*Perception
*Diplomacy
*Escape artist (the most PVP orientated racial the Alliance has, and it belongs to gnomes >.<
My point is, horde are better equiped for PVP and it shows. Alliance do not dominate AV anymore due to the NPC nerf of the BG.
And the_second, if you wanna know if horde are the UK or Alliance, just look at the teeth, that should settle it
So, taking into account the notion that horde had far less players initially, why would moving over to horde from alliance alleviate the queue times? It takes two to tango.
So then why did those players go over to the horde side? It wasn't for the PVE benefits, and also not for PVP gear, since PVP gear pre-x realm BG was either ****e blues or unattainable epics for everyone but the 1% who had the time to farm Grand Marshall / High Warlord gear.
People like horde because they are perceived as the evil/rebel/warmongers etc. of the game. They look like beasts and offer the player something non-boring (in their opinion) to look at. But above all they are better at PVP, they win most BG's thus get gear (since the PVP gear upgrade) faster and this translates into an easier transition into Arena's.
That's not even considering the racials:
*Will of the Forsaken
*Warstomp
*Aoe silence (lol)
*Hardiness
*Berserking
*Tauren HP bonus etc.
Compared to:
*Stoneform
*Treasue finding (haha)
*Shadowmeld
*Perception
*Diplomacy
*Escape artist (the most PVP orientated racial the Alliance has, and it belongs to gnomes >.<
My point is, horde are better equiped for PVP and it shows. Alliance do not dominate AV anymore due to the NPC nerf of the BG.
And the_second, if you wanna know if horde are the UK or Alliance, just look at the teeth, that should settle it
the_second
Active Member
Ok, my attempt at averting a flame war failed
So, taking into account the notion that horde had far less players initially, why would moving over to horde from alliance alleviate the queue times? It takes two to tango.
So then why did those players go over to the horde side? It wasn't for the PVE benefits, and also not for PVP gear, since PVP gear pre-x realm BG was either ****e blues or unattainable epics for everyone but the 1% who had the time to farm Grand Marshall / High Warlord gear.
People like horde because they are perceived as the evil/rebel/warmongers etc. of the game. They look like beasts and offer the player something non-boring (in their opinion) to look at. But above all they are better at PVP, they win most BG's thus get gear (since the PVP gear upgrade) faster and this translates into an easier transition into Arena's.
That's not even considering the racials:
*Will of the Forsaken
*Warstomp
*Aoe silence (lol)
*Hardiness
*Berserking
*Tauren HP bonus etc.
Compared to:
*Stoneform
*Treasue finding (haha)
*Shadowmeld
*Perception
*Diplomacy
*Escape artist (the most PVP orientated racial the Alliance has, and it belongs to gnomes >.<
My point is, horde are better equiped for PVP and it shows. Alliance do not dominate AV anymore due to the NPC nerf of the BG.
And the_second, if you wanna know if horde are the UK or Alliance, just look at the teeth, that should settle it
I'm glad you did your research on racial traits. But there really is one thing I'm dying to know... Have you, yourself, ever played for the Horde? You see normally I like to make analogies based on situations I've been in. If somebody bashes South Africa here, I simply ask if they've ever been there. Normally they reference what they see in the media or through hearsay but when asked if they've experienced it, and I mean gained the whole experience... Have you played Horde? If so for how long? And who was your character?
Pitbull
Verboten
I play Horde and Ally
1. Haven't played my Ally warrior in months, reason:
I love My horde char to much
It's not about who is better, I like to play the game from both sides, with that being said I will confirm the following:
Try and Farm tokens for the BG's if your Alliance - Takes Nights of Farming to get enough tokens to buy one item.
Horde you get those tokens so quick I feel ashamed at how hard the Allies *** in the BG's.
Yes Allies used to Pwn in AV, reasons:
. All horde was farming honor kills, no one was really playing to win.
. Allies NPC's did the winning for them
On the new system, I haven't been in any AV game that the Horde lost, so even that went out the window.
The fact is, with the playing field level, Allies will never pwn Horde. Horde is PvP based, check their racials vs Ally Racials
Any how: I play both, can't wait to get to lvl 70 on my Rogue(65) and get my Arena gear, once done I can lvl my warrior to 70 from lvl 58
1. Haven't played my Ally warrior in months, reason:
I love My horde char to much
It's not about who is better, I like to play the game from both sides, with that being said I will confirm the following:
Try and Farm tokens for the BG's if your Alliance - Takes Nights of Farming to get enough tokens to buy one item.
Horde you get those tokens so quick I feel ashamed at how hard the Allies *** in the BG's.
Yes Allies used to Pwn in AV, reasons:
. All horde was farming honor kills, no one was really playing to win.
. Allies NPC's did the winning for them
On the new system, I haven't been in any AV game that the Horde lost, so even that went out the window.
The fact is, with the playing field level, Allies will never pwn Horde. Horde is PvP based, check their racials vs Ally Racials
Any how: I play both, can't wait to get to lvl 70 on my Rogue(65) and get my Arena gear, once done I can lvl my warrior to 70 from lvl 58
Kinda ironic with this whole horde vs ally fight going on, saying horde's designed for PVP
when the top PVE guild... is horde ie Nihilum
http://www.wowjutsu.com/world/
Imo, horde is seen as the experienced faction, of ppl wanting PVP
whereas alliance is more beginner (humans being easier to relate to than fugly cows), alliance does well in pve because theres so many players who actively want pve content
On LB, theres a what? 1,5 : 1 ration between alliance : horde, which shows in our raid progression, there are alot more alliance top raiding guilds than horde www.wowjutsu.com/eu/lightbringer
when the top PVE guild... is horde ie Nihilum
http://www.wowjutsu.com/world/
Imo, horde is seen as the experienced faction, of ppl wanting PVP
whereas alliance is more beginner (humans being easier to relate to than fugly cows), alliance does well in pve because theres so many players who actively want pve content
On LB, theres a what? 1,5 : 1 ration between alliance : horde, which shows in our raid progression, there are alot more alliance top raiding guilds than horde www.wowjutsu.com/eu/lightbringer
Ummm WTF? If there are 1000 alliance Qing and 200 horde Qing, that means that the horde will get 5 times more games than alliance because there will be a permanent stream of alliance waiting for games. Do you struggle to see the logic there?
It's true there are more kiddies on alliance but I scarcely see how that makes horde better. I have been in an awesome guild for over 2 years now and I can't remember the last time I ever had to PUG anything, so I have no reason to come into contact with tards (horde or alliance). If you feel that you need to be horde because "the community is better" then maybe the problem is your guild sucks and you need to rely on random tossers. Get a decent guild and your faction becomes irrelevant.
Keep generalising about WoW and its player, it highlights your true knowledge.
Pitbull
Verboten
WTF are u guys on about
The facts are written in stone Horde > Alliance
No need to try prove the other one wrong.
But there needs to be Allies also, or else who am I going to kill
The facts are written in stone Horde > Alliance
No need to try prove the other one wrong.
But there needs to be Allies also, or else who am I going to kill
Pornolio
Expert Member
Speaking from my own experience and own server I play on...
In general I found the alliance side to be more the younger players flocking together. Reason for that is quite simple...
A younger person / child creating a new character tend to choose a nicer cleaner "hero" looking character, rather than a stinky messy looking bad ass Horde player... On our server the alliance vs horde ratio is something like 60% alliance vs 40 % horde (it was worse in the past before server migrations came up), and to be honest we stomp the alliance in BG's pretty much most of time. Once in a while you meet a good pre-made alliance team, but thats very seldom. The amount of scammers on our server are ALL on the alliance side, why ? most likely because younger players are more gullible I would suppose in handing over loads of expensive mats to a stranger.
One thing I do agree on, is that players from PVP servers, tend to be better at playing their characters than players on PVE realms. From the moment you are level 1, you have to be on your guard and aware of what and who is around you. PVE players are not really forced to master their individual classes like PVP players are...
Either way... I love playing horde... Nothing like doing a aimed shot on a little gnome sneaking past me in AV. But if you prefer being a nice clean alliance character and being bashed on in PVP... heheh well thats your choice... I cannot force myself to roll an alliance character... NEVER...
HORDE FTW !!!!
In general I found the alliance side to be more the younger players flocking together. Reason for that is quite simple...
A younger person / child creating a new character tend to choose a nicer cleaner "hero" looking character, rather than a stinky messy looking bad ass Horde player... On our server the alliance vs horde ratio is something like 60% alliance vs 40 % horde (it was worse in the past before server migrations came up), and to be honest we stomp the alliance in BG's pretty much most of time. Once in a while you meet a good pre-made alliance team, but thats very seldom. The amount of scammers on our server are ALL on the alliance side, why ? most likely because younger players are more gullible I would suppose in handing over loads of expensive mats to a stranger.
One thing I do agree on, is that players from PVP servers, tend to be better at playing their characters than players on PVE realms. From the moment you are level 1, you have to be on your guard and aware of what and who is around you. PVE players are not really forced to master their individual classes like PVP players are...
Either way... I love playing horde... Nothing like doing a aimed shot on a little gnome sneaking past me in AV. But if you prefer being a nice clean alliance character and being bashed on in PVP... heheh well thats your choice... I cannot force myself to roll an alliance character... NEVER...
HORDE FTW !!!!
The perception that Alliance is better in PvE is just leftovers from pre-BC when Alliance were indeed much better in PvE because of Pallies and Fear Ward.
Right now the only reason why Horde is better is because guys like Nihilum were awesome even when they had big disadvantages. Now with a level playing field they've dominated.
Right now the only reason why Horde is better is because guys like Nihilum were awesome even when they had big disadvantages. Now with a level playing field they've dominated.
Cloud
Expert Member
So lemme get this straight, you are generalising about the ratio of Alliance vs horde being 5:1 - rofl, does this not seem a bit excessive? Then take into consideration the PVP players moving over from one faction to the other on the same server, obviously this reduces the amount of PVP'ers of the faction they abandoned. You are assuming that the gaps left by the departing players are just magically being filled by a steady stream of new PVP'ers. Fun logic you employ there. It balances itself out.
The fact that you don't have to PUG anything is great for you, but unfortunately everyone does not have the luxury of premades all the time. For a horde player to PUG a BG is not a big deal, as they will have so much more chance of winning for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread. Try pugging a BG as Alliance and come tell me how many games you win.
The horde players have spoken in this thread, and openly admit their PVP dominance. That brings me back to my original Horde = Easymode (PVP) statement. It's not new knowledge, take it for what it is.
And btw Cat011, keep generalising all WoW experiences to your own situation, it highlights your true knowledge.
Jase
Executive Member
Before I comment, I do not quite understand what you mean by this? Could you please elaborate.
I just think of PvP as I join BG Queue, wait till I get offered one, jump on in and join the rest of my faction.
Or I come across an Ally in the forests and we duel each other and the loser comes back for more.
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Pitbull
Verboten
Cloud
Expert Member
Jase, this was in response to a comment earlier about Alliance players moving (re-rolling) over to horde for better queue times. This was ofc. before x-realm battlegrounds.
These days many realms compete in battelgroups, so the queue times are not related to one particular realm but the battlegroup as a whole.
Jase
Executive Member
Hehe a NE druid and I were at each other last night before our instance. It was an even match until a 70 warrior pitched up and whooped my butt.
But it was cool, as a 66 shammy helped me out for a bit and the fray was joined by a 70 NE rogue which we countered with a 70 lock ...
And so on and so forth ... we held onto Halaa tho. I only said darn 70 once ...
Pitbull
Verboten
I actually duel'd a Ally once
And it was in Barrens.. Duel an Ally on a PvP server... LMAO !
the_second
Active Member
Cloud seriously, a lot of people here are offering their opinions because they've experienced the best of both worlds and it still shocking you're adamant in your believe Horde is easy mode. A lot of people have stated it still boils down to skill, and in terms of player experience, the guild you're in. But I want to know if you have ever played Horde before? I'm still waiting for that response and then I'll be satisfied.
Cloud you really have no clue
If the ratio was 5:1 alliance vs horde and a significant number of people hopped over to horde, they might shift the ratio to 4:1 (Hypothetical example duh). This would hardly affect the Q times for the remaining alliance but it would significantly increase the percentage of horde that were serious about PvP and therefore give them and advantage in BGs.
This is exactly what happened...deal with it.
People who make statements like "horde is ezmode" tend to be morons. Just like people who make statements like "pallies just bubble hearth" and "all huntards are lootwhores"
The official forums are full of people who spout this kind of **** and think they hardcore cause they got 2 epic items or their guild runs Kara. Sorry your little epeen got bruised
If the ratio was 5:1 alliance vs horde and a significant number of people hopped over to horde, they might shift the ratio to 4:1 (Hypothetical example duh). This would hardly affect the Q times for the remaining alliance but it would significantly increase the percentage of horde that were serious about PvP and therefore give them and advantage in BGs.
This is exactly what happened...deal with it.
People who make statements like "horde is ezmode" tend to be morons. Just like people who make statements like "pallies just bubble hearth" and "all huntards are lootwhores"
The official forums are full of people who spout this kind of **** and think they hardcore cause they got 2 epic items or their guild runs Kara. Sorry your little epeen got bruised