The F-35 thread

Arthur said:
One can see SRVL becoming the standard landing at sea for F-35B. Hats off to the Brits for doing it first.
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The RAF have been doing this for yonks. It saves loads of fuel and doesn't stress the engine too much. Ditto for rolling take offs and hence the ski-slope take-offs. Harriers, although capable of VTOL, were more efficient in terms of loading if they didn't land or take-off vertically.
 
TooFastTim said:
Harriers, although capable of VTOL, were more efficient in terms of loading if they didn't land or take-off vertically.
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On mission return the fuel & weapons payload would have been drastically reduced so a vtol landing was not a a big deal. I don't think a fully loaded harrier was capable of vertical take off and I don't see the F-35 capable of doing it either.
 
TooFastTim said:
Hence my saying "the RAF have been doing this for yonks".
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Yes, I assumed that's what you might mean, but couldn't tell for sure. So clarified, also for others reading the thread. ;)

As you know, the USMC been "RVLing" (on land) their AV-8Bs more or less since they got them.

As an aside, I remember reading somewhere (can't recall where now, on phone) that the first Harrier SRVL was done on a French tub, about ten years ago.
 
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Arthur said:
As an aside, I remember reading somewhere (can't recall where now, on phone) that the first Harrier SRVL was done on a French tub, about ten years ago.
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Yes it was on the carrier Charles de Gaulle
 
Arthur said:
As an aside, I remember reading somewhere (can't recall where now, on phone) that the first Harrier SRVL was done on a French tub, about ten years ago.
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Definitely not the first.

SRVL was used during the Falklands war in 1982, it’s described in the book Hostile Skies by David Morgan (a Flt Lt in the RAF at the time) who used it to land on HMS Hermes.
 
Dave said:
Definitely not the first.

SRVL was used during the Falklands war in 1982, it’s described in the book Hostile Skies by David Morgan (a Flt Lt in the RAF at the time) who used it to land on HMS Hermes.
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Fount of knowledge. Interesting, thanks. :)

Speaking of the Falklands campaign, I'm sure you've seen "Most Daring Raid" on the first Vulcan hit in April '82. If not, worth a watch (probably better versions avail):

 
Arthur said:
Fount of knowledge. Interesting, thanks. :)

Speaking of the Falklands campaign, I'm sure you've seen "Most Daring Raid" on the first Vulcan hit in April '82. If not, worth a watch (probably better versions avail):

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I don’t think I have, I’ll give it a watch. I have read the book about the operation by one of the pilots though, Vulcan 607.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004EYSXTS/
 
https://www.rt.com/news/444376-su57-jet-syria-mission-video/
The brief Syria deployment of Russia’s Su-57 fifth-generation fighters that made headlines around the world can now be seen in newly released Defense Ministry footage, showing the jets flying sorties and returning to base.
The Russian Defense Ministry has released an astonishing video showing a pair of Russia’s cutting-edge Su-57s testing ground in Syria. The jets are seen taking off from an undisclosed location – presumably, Russia’s Khmeimim air base in Syria’s northeast – before flying up.

The Su-57s are then filmed traversing the skies over Syria. At some point the camera gets so close that the pilot’s actions can easily be seen inside the cockpit.

The video also shows the stealth jets simultaneously landing on the runway, with or without the parachute brakes.
The planes, which flew a total of ten sorties, were pushed to the limit as the military wanted to see how they would perform during a real-life mission. The jets’ aerodynamics, avionics, fire control, and weapons systems were all put to test amid high temperatures and complicated terrain, the ministry said on Facebook.
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