The F-35 thread

Dave said:
Do you ever do any research or know what you’re talking about before posting?

Just curious...
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a single f35 cost the us taxpayer 87 million USD, how many F35 are there in that photo?
quite a few, so do the math? how big is the US defense budget? big, but does it cover everything?

maybe, but still if a enemy were to strike and take out that many hi tech jets, how big will the hole in the defence budget be?
quite significant, I dont think they can just write off that expense so easily.
 
eg2505 said:
a single f35 cost the us taxpayer 87 million USD, how many F35 are there in that photo?
quite a few, so do the math? how big is the US defense budget? big, but does it cover everything?

maybe, but still if a enemy were to strike and take out that many hi tech jets, how big will the hole in the defence budget be?
quite significant, I dont think they can just write off that expense so easily.
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He was being his usual awesome self and post was correctly deleted. Add him to your ignore list like some already have.
 
eg2505 said:
a single f35 cost the us taxpayer 87 million USD, how many F35 are there in that photo?
quite a few, so do the math? how big is the US defense budget? big, but does it cover everything?

maybe, but still if a enemy were to strike and take out that many hi tech jets, how big will the hole in the defence budget be?
quite significant, I dont think they can just write off that expense so easily.
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The US has a defence budget of $82 billion dollars in 2019.

There are also around 300 F35s in service, so that picture only covers maybe 1/10th of the full fleet.
 
Given the 54% availability rate it is a 20% chunk of their inventory.

Source
 
ToxicBunny said:
The US has a defence budget of $82 billion dollars in 2019.
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You left off a zero? It was $610 billion last year.

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still its quite a large chunk of change should some terrorist with a grenade/c4 gets onto an airfield and plants c4 on all those jets,

I mean look at USS cole, that was a really expensive warship, destroyed by a zodiac with a bomb,

one shoudnt underestimate what terrorists are capable of, especially given how expensive those jets are.
 
eg2505 said:
a single f35 cost the us taxpayer 87 million USD, how many F35 are there in that photo?
quite a few, so do the math? how big is the US defense budget? big, but does it cover everything?

maybe, but still if a enemy were to strike and take out that many hi tech jets, how big will the hole in the defence budget be?
quite significant, I dont think they can just write off that expense so easily.
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You reallly do enjoy writing fiction don’t you?

It’s a really small percentage of their budget and that’s only around a tenth of delivered F35’s. That photo is a lot less than the inventory at many US bases.

You forgot to ask what would happen if the Martians were to strike that AFB as well :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
eg2505 said:
still its quite a large chunk of change should some terrorist with a grenade/c4 gets onto an airfield and plants c4 on all those jets,

I mean look at USS cole, that was a really expensive warship, destroyed by a zodiac with a bomb,

one shoudnt underestimate what terrorists are capable of, especially given how expensive those jets are.
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Seriously, give it up, you are posting nonsense that just makes you look stupid.

The USS Cole was just a run of the mill Arleigh Burke destroyer of which the US has around 65, not a “really expensive” warship, maybe something like the USS Harry Truman could be described as “really expensive” and even more to the point, the USS Cole wasn’t destroyed by the terrorist attack...
 
Dave said:
Seriously, give it up, you are posting nonsense that just makes you look stupid.

The USS Cole was just a run of the mill Arleigh Burke destroyer of which the US has around 65, not a “really expensive” warship, maybe something like the USS Harry Truman could be described as “really expensive” and even more to the point, the USS Cole wasn’t destroyed by the terrorist attack...
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but still it managed to (completely) cripple a warship many times more expensive than itself, got to show you for the ingenuity of the terrorists.
just imagine if it had been a real war? taken out by a rubber zodiac with a few grenades. now imagine a carrier? all that parked airplanes, including some F35's

so again, if a well armed terrorist got onto an airfield, and managed to strap a few charges to some of those jets,
could have caused a very big issue , especially if he managed to destroy 10-20 jets all parked.

yes, its unlikely, but again, if the US deploys forces to some warzone, where they aren't needed, and some lucky bugger manages to strap a few bombs to jets.
there will be quite a show, and quite an aftermath.

is it nonsense? not so much, all it takes is one, and the fireworks will start.
 
eg2505 said:
but still it managed to (completely) cripple a warship many times more expensive than itself, got to show you for the ingenuity of the terrorists.
just imagine if it had been a real war? taken out by a rubber zodiac with a few grenades. now imagine a carrier? all that parked airplanes, including some F35's

so again, if a well armed terrorist got onto an airfield, and managed to strap a few charges to some of those jets,
could have caused a very big issue , especially if he managed to destroy 10-20 jets all parked.

yes, its unlikely, but again, if the US deploys forces to some warzone, where they aren't needed, and some lucky bugger manages to strap a few bombs to jets.
there will be quite a show, and quite an aftermath.

is it nonsense? not so much, all it takes is one, and the fireworks will start.
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You are still posting monumental amounts of nonsense.

This was in a foreign port, with none of the normal US Navy protection since it was a routine fuel stop.

When the US deploy into warzones, they don't just use random areas to park the planes and equipment, they build fully protected bases.
 
eg2505 said:
but still it managed to (completely) cripple a warship many times more expensive than itself, got to show you for the ingenuity of the terrorists.
just imagine if it had been a real war? taken out by a rubber zodiac with a few grenades. now imagine a carrier? all that parked airplanes, including some F35's

so again, if a well armed terrorist got onto an airfield, and managed to strap a few charges to some of those jets,
could have caused a very big issue , especially if he managed to destroy 10-20 jets all parked.

yes, its unlikely, but again, if the US deploys forces to some warzone, where they aren't needed, and some lucky bugger manages to strap a few bombs to jets.
there will be quite a show, and quite an aftermath.

is it nonsense? not so much, all it takes is one, and the fireworks will start.
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I read a novel many years ago, I think it was simply called World War 3.

It was written by a retired General.

Anyway, the scenario he illustrated was an Airbase being attacked by heavy trucks and machinery to breach the gate. The attackers then targeted all the force multipliers - tankers, AWACS and transport planes.

With the loss of the tankers the fighters, bombers and attack aircraft wings were clipped. Range drastically reduced made the airforces slow to respond and limited their effectiveness.

The enemy had struck at NATO's centre of gravity.

Carl Von Clausewitz developed this concept in his works On War.

I felt the scenario was unrealistic, but plausible.
 
eg2505 said:
but still it managed to (completely) cripple a warship many times more expensive than itself, got to show you for the ingenuity of the terrorists.
just imagine if it had been a real war? taken out by a rubber zodiac with a few grenades. now imagine a carrier? all that parked airplanes, including some F35's

so again, if a well armed terrorist got onto an airfield, and managed to strap a few charges to some of those jets,
could have caused a very big issue , especially if he managed to destroy 10-20 jets all parked.

yes, its unlikely, but again, if the US deploys forces to some warzone, where they aren't needed, and some lucky bugger manages to strap a few bombs to jets.
there will be quite a show, and quite an aftermath.

is it nonsense? not so much, all it takes is one, and the fireworks will start.
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You forgot about the possibility of a Martian invasion again.

Maybe you can expand on the number of CONUS airbases that have been attacked in this way since the USAF came into being...
 
buka001 said:
I read a novel many years ago, I think it was simply called World War 3.

It was written by a retired General.

Anyway, the scenario he illustrated was an Airbase being attacked by heavy trucks and machinery to breach the gate. The attackers then targeted all the force multipliers - tankers, AWACS and transport planes.

With the loss of the tankers the fighters, bombers and attack aircraft wings were clipped. Range drastically reduced made the airforces slow to respond and limited their effectiveness.

The enemy had struck at NATO's centre of gravity.

Carl Von Clausewitz developed this concept in his works On War.

I felt the scenario was unrealistic, but plausible.
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Most far fetched scenarios are not realistic. Doesnt make them "not real". It takes one mole onto a carrier, one mole onto an air base, and anything can happen. You can look at the Pentagon and WTC, and Pearl Harbor as examples of extremes.

If you have a sufficiently psychotic and/or motivated resourceful enemy, any scenario is possible
 
buka001 said:
Anyway, the scenario he illustrated was an Airbase being attacked by heavy trucks and machinery to breach the gate. The attackers then targeted all the force multipliers - tankers, AWACS and transport planes.
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The US doesn’t rely on a single airbase for tanker operations. It would take a massive nuclear strike to cause the sort of damage to make that scenario possible.
 
buka001 said:
I read a novel many years ago, I think it was simply called World War 3.

It was written by a retired General.

Anyway, the scenario he illustrated was an Airbase being attacked by heavy trucks and machinery to breach the gate. The attackers then targeted all the force multipliers - tankers, AWACS and transport planes.

With the loss of the tankers the fighters, bombers and attack aircraft wings were clipped. Range drastically reduced made the airforces slow to respond and limited their effectiveness.

The enemy had struck at NATO's centre of gravity.

Carl Von Clausewitz developed this concept in his works On War.

I felt the scenario was unrealistic, but plausible.
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Well, the US military's greatest achievement is not the thousands of tanks, aircraft or ships. It's not so much the training of the personnel. Although all of the above is very important, the single most important function and one that they have mastered is their ability to resupply, ie their logistics.

If their logistical arm is severed, the US military as we know it will grind to a halt.
 
AntennaMan said:
Well, the US military's greatest achievement is not the thousands of tanks, aircraft or ships. It's not so much the training of the personnel. Although all of the above is very important, the single most important function and one that they have mastered is their ability to resupply, ie their logistics.

If their logistical arm is severed, the US military as we know it will grind to a halt.
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Conjecture on the supply chain bit. It cannot be singled out like that. Its the sum of the parts
 
AntennaMan said:
Well, the US military's greatest achievement is not the thousands of tanks, aircraft or ships. It's not so much the training of the personnel. Although all of the above is very important, the single most important function and one that they have mastered is their ability to resupply, ie their logistics.

If their logistical arm is severed, the US military as we know it will grind to a halt.
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That applies to most military forces..

Its also why the US Military has by and large decentralised their logistics function...
 
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