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The Gauteng E-tolling Thread
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I'm holding out and waiting for my first photo 
grok
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Here's a question for the lawyers .. seeing as e-tolling is classified as a form of tax, surely the public has a right to Sanral's figures and books?
LazyLion
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Joburg traffic heavy as usual: JMPD
The traffic on Johannesburg's main roads was heavy on Tuesday morning, just like any other day, the Johannesburg metro police said.
"Coming in from the west; Hendrik Potgieter, Ontdekkers and Main Reef roads are heavy, which happens on a daily basis," spokeswoman Edna Mamonyane said.
Kliprivier, Booysens and Rosettenville roads were backed up for motorists coming from the south of Johannesburg, she said.
"Normally in the north, [roads such as] William Nicol and Beyers Naude are very heavy."
Mamonyane did not have an immediate update on the flow of traffic on the highways.
Gauteng road users woke up to tolled highways this morning after the controversial project finally kicked in after midnight.
But this does not seem to be the end of the road for the anti-tolling lobbyists.
Tuesday will see at least two anti-tolling media briefings -- the Congress of SA Trade Unions in Gauteng, which has been protesting against the project to "irritate politicians", was scheduled to address the media on Tuesday.
The opposition Democratic Alliance also promised to unveil the "next phase" of the political party's anti-tolls campaign on Tuesday.
The Freedom Front Plus on Monday lost a last-ditch effort to put a halt to the project, that could see frequent users spend up to R450 per month. Church leaders vowed on Monday that they would not pay toll fees, and called on others to do the same.
The Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) continued to urge motorists to refrain from buying e-tags.
"There is no law that requires road users to buy an e-tag or register with Sanral in order to use Gauteng's freeways," said Outa chairman Wayne Duvenage.
Source : Sapa /mr/nsm/tk/mjs
Date : 03 Dec 2013 07:43
The traffic on Johannesburg's main roads was heavy on Tuesday morning, just like any other day, the Johannesburg metro police said.
"Coming in from the west; Hendrik Potgieter, Ontdekkers and Main Reef roads are heavy, which happens on a daily basis," spokeswoman Edna Mamonyane said.
Kliprivier, Booysens and Rosettenville roads were backed up for motorists coming from the south of Johannesburg, she said.
"Normally in the north, [roads such as] William Nicol and Beyers Naude are very heavy."
Mamonyane did not have an immediate update on the flow of traffic on the highways.
Gauteng road users woke up to tolled highways this morning after the controversial project finally kicked in after midnight.
But this does not seem to be the end of the road for the anti-tolling lobbyists.
Tuesday will see at least two anti-tolling media briefings -- the Congress of SA Trade Unions in Gauteng, which has been protesting against the project to "irritate politicians", was scheduled to address the media on Tuesday.
The opposition Democratic Alliance also promised to unveil the "next phase" of the political party's anti-tolls campaign on Tuesday.
The Freedom Front Plus on Monday lost a last-ditch effort to put a halt to the project, that could see frequent users spend up to R450 per month. Church leaders vowed on Monday that they would not pay toll fees, and called on others to do the same.
The Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) continued to urge motorists to refrain from buying e-tags.
"There is no law that requires road users to buy an e-tag or register with Sanral in order to use Gauteng's freeways," said Outa chairman Wayne Duvenage.
Source : Sapa /mr/nsm/tk/mjs
Date : 03 Dec 2013 07:43
LazyLion
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Alternate route traffic jam on first day of e-tolls
The traffic on the M1 highway from Soweto towards the Crown Interchange was at a stand still, the Johannesburg metro police said on Tuesday.
JMPD spokeswoman Edna Mamonyane said traffic was "chock a block" and that it had not eased up since the early morning.
That route is not tolled and is close to the N1 which is subject to e-tolls.
Tuesday marked the first day of the controversial e-tolls managed by the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) which compels motorists to pay to use certain highways around Gauteng via an e-tag.
Mamonyane said: "Coming in from the west; Hendrik Potgieter, Ontdekkers and Main Reef roads are heavy, which happens on a daily basis."
Kliprivier, Booysens and Rosettenville roads were backed up for motorists coming from the south of Johannesburg, she said.
"Normally in the north, [roads such as] William Nicol and Beyers Naude are very heavy."
She said motorists were using suburbs as alternative routes.
"People are going to start seeing a heavy presence of cars in their [neighbourhoods]. A lot of it will be from the northern suburbs," she said.
Mamonyane could not immediately confirm which other alternative routes were being used by motorists.
At least two anti-e-tolling media briefings are planned for Tuesday.
One will be by the Congress of SA Trade Unions in Gauteng, which has been protesting against the project to "irritate politicians", and one by the opposition Democratic Alliance which would unveil the "next phase" of its anti-tolls campaign.
Church leaders vowed on Monday that they would not pay toll fees, and called on others to do the same.
The Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) continued to urge motorists to refrain from buying e-tags.
"There is no law that requires road users to buy an e-tag or register with Sanral in order to use Gauteng's freeways," said Outa chairman Wayne Duvenage.
Source : Sapa /mr/tk/jje
Date : 03 Dec 2013 08:50
The traffic on the M1 highway from Soweto towards the Crown Interchange was at a stand still, the Johannesburg metro police said on Tuesday.
JMPD spokeswoman Edna Mamonyane said traffic was "chock a block" and that it had not eased up since the early morning.
That route is not tolled and is close to the N1 which is subject to e-tolls.
Tuesday marked the first day of the controversial e-tolls managed by the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) which compels motorists to pay to use certain highways around Gauteng via an e-tag.
Mamonyane said: "Coming in from the west; Hendrik Potgieter, Ontdekkers and Main Reef roads are heavy, which happens on a daily basis."
Kliprivier, Booysens and Rosettenville roads were backed up for motorists coming from the south of Johannesburg, she said.
"Normally in the north, [roads such as] William Nicol and Beyers Naude are very heavy."
She said motorists were using suburbs as alternative routes.
"People are going to start seeing a heavy presence of cars in their [neighbourhoods]. A lot of it will be from the northern suburbs," she said.
Mamonyane could not immediately confirm which other alternative routes were being used by motorists.
At least two anti-e-tolling media briefings are planned for Tuesday.
One will be by the Congress of SA Trade Unions in Gauteng, which has been protesting against the project to "irritate politicians", and one by the opposition Democratic Alliance which would unveil the "next phase" of its anti-tolls campaign.
Church leaders vowed on Monday that they would not pay toll fees, and called on others to do the same.
The Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) continued to urge motorists to refrain from buying e-tags.
"There is no law that requires road users to buy an e-tag or register with Sanral in order to use Gauteng's freeways," said Outa chairman Wayne Duvenage.
Source : Sapa /mr/tk/jje
Date : 03 Dec 2013 08:50
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
SANRAL arrogant and evasive: JPSA
Lawyers representing Justice Project SA (JPSA) have labelled responses they got from Sanral's legal team relating to e-tolls as arrogant and evasive.
"Given the level of controversy surrounding e-Tolling, our client finds your client's response to the reasonable and legitimate queries raised by our client....surprisingly arrogant and evasive," the lawyers said in a letter.
The letter followed the SA National Roads Agency Ltd's (Sanral) threats of legal action following a request for clarification on e-toll prosecutions.
After sending the letter, JPSA received a response before noon on Friday from Werksmans Attorneys, acting on behalf of Sanral.
They were told among other things that Sanral was not in a position to clarify matters reported by members of the media, where such clarity should be sought from the reporters concerned.
JPSA said the answer was not satisfactory. The letter stated that the Government Gazettes which they were referred to did not deal with the questions they had asked.
"The Government Gazette of 9 October 2013, and/or Gazettes prior to, or proceeding that date, do not support the statements allegedly made by the representatives of your client, as reported in various media.'
"It is in any event, unreasonable, in our client's view, for your client to expect our client or members of the public to trawl through Government Gazettes to try to determine the answers to the queries raised in our letter of 26 November 2013."
Source : Sapa /kn/tk/jje
Date : 03 Dec 2013 08:59
Lawyers representing Justice Project SA (JPSA) have labelled responses they got from Sanral's legal team relating to e-tolls as arrogant and evasive.
"Given the level of controversy surrounding e-Tolling, our client finds your client's response to the reasonable and legitimate queries raised by our client....surprisingly arrogant and evasive," the lawyers said in a letter.
The letter followed the SA National Roads Agency Ltd's (Sanral) threats of legal action following a request for clarification on e-toll prosecutions.
After sending the letter, JPSA received a response before noon on Friday from Werksmans Attorneys, acting on behalf of Sanral.
They were told among other things that Sanral was not in a position to clarify matters reported by members of the media, where such clarity should be sought from the reporters concerned.
JPSA said the answer was not satisfactory. The letter stated that the Government Gazettes which they were referred to did not deal with the questions they had asked.
"The Government Gazette of 9 October 2013, and/or Gazettes prior to, or proceeding that date, do not support the statements allegedly made by the representatives of your client, as reported in various media.'
"It is in any event, unreasonable, in our client's view, for your client to expect our client or members of the public to trawl through Government Gazettes to try to determine the answers to the queries raised in our letter of 26 November 2013."
Source : Sapa /kn/tk/jje
Date : 03 Dec 2013 08:59
supersunbird
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+1, you are correct. I was subject to a personal attack in another thread because I stated traffic was no different for me.
grok
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Also makes a bit of a joke of their 'user pays' principle if users doesn't pay for their actual road usage. Seems user doesn't pay after all but gets cross subsidised by other users. Why then is begin cross subsidised between other provinces such a bad thing? On the same user pays basis all Gautengers should start petitioning for our tax contribution to only apply to Gauteng expenses - if the rural in Limpopo shouldn't contribute tax to our roads why should we contribute tax to their infrastructure & upliftment?
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Register for e-tolls : ANC
The African National Congress called on motorists on Tuesday to register for their e-toll accounts to take advantage of the benefits offered to registered users.
The benefits of being registered included discounted rates for frequent users, spokesman Jackson Mthembu said.
"The ANC further calls for restraint from all members of society against mobilising for lawlessness as it relates to the e-tolls," he said.
Extensive consultations had taken place around the funding model of the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project and concerted efforts were made to resolve the mutual problems identified.
Mthembu said the ANC was grateful to the almost one million South Africans who had already bought their e-tags and committed themselves to work with government to further improve world-class and sophisticated infrastructure.
"Infrastructure that all of us are in agreement has lightened the burden of travelling time and road safety, providing much needed time to motorists to do the things they would rather do than sitting in traffic."
He said what remained a point of disagreement was not that the roads had been improved, but rather the funding model that had been adopted.
The ANC was aware of and appreciated the dissatisfaction of many road users with regard to the implementation of e-tolls, he said.
"Part of this dissatisfaction arises from the lack of an integrated, safe and reliable public transport system, which would allow motorist options when confronted with the introduction of the user pay principle as in the case of the tolled roads."
He said government had also established significant discounts for registered users and made commitments to cap the costs payable by a user per month providing an opportunity for planning and certainty.
"The [Gauteng] provincial government has also built and upgraded more than 200 kilometres of alternative non-tolled roads."
Source : Sapa /mm/tk/jk/jje
Date : 03 Dec 2013 10:18
The African National Congress called on motorists on Tuesday to register for their e-toll accounts to take advantage of the benefits offered to registered users.
The benefits of being registered included discounted rates for frequent users, spokesman Jackson Mthembu said.
"The ANC further calls for restraint from all members of society against mobilising for lawlessness as it relates to the e-tolls," he said.
Extensive consultations had taken place around the funding model of the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project and concerted efforts were made to resolve the mutual problems identified.
Mthembu said the ANC was grateful to the almost one million South Africans who had already bought their e-tags and committed themselves to work with government to further improve world-class and sophisticated infrastructure.
"Infrastructure that all of us are in agreement has lightened the burden of travelling time and road safety, providing much needed time to motorists to do the things they would rather do than sitting in traffic."
He said what remained a point of disagreement was not that the roads had been improved, but rather the funding model that had been adopted.
The ANC was aware of and appreciated the dissatisfaction of many road users with regard to the implementation of e-tolls, he said.
"Part of this dissatisfaction arises from the lack of an integrated, safe and reliable public transport system, which would allow motorist options when confronted with the introduction of the user pay principle as in the case of the tolled roads."
He said government had also established significant discounts for registered users and made commitments to cap the costs payable by a user per month providing an opportunity for planning and certainty.
"The [Gauteng] provincial government has also built and upgraded more than 200 kilometres of alternative non-tolled roads."
Source : Sapa /mm/tk/jk/jje
Date : 03 Dec 2013 10:18
Disingenuous little infographic they’ve got here. They run the article with the heading “SA e-toll costs lower than abroad” but show three countries that are higher and three countries that are lower. Even by their own admission: “A typical 80km daily commute on tolled roads in a light vehicle will consume a significant proportion of people’s average daily wages.”
And finally (just to top off my rant); comparing South Africa to Norway?! Honestly?!
Ok… I’m done for now.
MrGray
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I wonder what the reaction will be when those people who are planing on paying but only after they get invoiced and/or causing maximum inconvenience, discover that you can only pay (whether within 7 days, or not) by registering. AFAIK there is no way to pay without registering, which involves accepting a contract in which the very first clause is "You agree to the E-Toll". So, either pay and accept the yoke, or not pay and be criminalized.
MrGray
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It is even more deceitful than that - the first infographic is the proportion of roads tolled, not the cost.
These comparisons are completely meaningless, anyway. They do not account for the cost of living and are based on cost per km, so they say nothing about whether they are urban inner city routes for daily commutes or how far people travel. Sure, Norway might be R13 per km, but is that for just one 1km bridge that people might use twice a year, or is it for people's daily commuter travel?
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Not sure, but as far as I know you can walk into their customer service centres and pay there.
If they tell me to register in order to pay, I will tell them to get stuffed.
Mila
Honorary Master
i have two middle fingers ANC. pick one.
MrGray
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I can almost guarantee that you have to register to pay.
daveza
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Sonic2k
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Correct... that is how the system was designed to work to catch people off-guard. This was pointed out ages ago I believe.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Then I will see them in court.
blunomore
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Power to the people.
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