The Kia Stinger Thread

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Agreed to everyone on this thread, car buying public only looks at the brands, they wont look at the product itself. Just to come back to the German rivals, are those prices excludes options, so it will go up by another R100k...

For R850k, get a Jag or Lexus or something more unique. Pity the Giulia QV is still a good R500k away
 

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Kia Stinger 2.2 CRDi 2018 UK review

Should I buy one?

While the diesel Stinger may be the least exciting variant in the range, its long-distance touring ability does go some way to making up for what it loses out on in terms of performance and drama. It retains the striking looks of the petrol models, yet adds in a fuel economy figure that makes it a properly compelling motorway cruiser.

That it’s also generously equipped is an added bonus, as does the fact that it’s covered by Kia’s excellent seven-year warranty. The material quality of its cabin isn’t particularly outstanding, but then you have to remember that this is pitched as a value proposition next to offerings from BMW and Audi.

On paper, then, the diesel Stinger sounds like a fairly attractive option. And, to be honest, it does the whole long-distance thing really well. It’s just that the manner in which it goes about doing it isn’t particularly memorable. And when you’re paying close to £38,000 for a car that looks as good as this one does, that doesn’t quite cut it.

Kia Stinger 2.2 CRDi specification

Where Surrey, UK Price £37,725; On sale now; Engine 4 cyls, 2199cc, turbocharged, diesel; Power 197bhp at 3800rpm; Torque 325lb ft at 1750-2750rpm; Gearbox 8-spd automatic; Kerb weight 1931xkg; Top speed 143mph; 0-62mph 7.3sec; Fuel economy 48.7mpg; CO2 154g/km; Rivals BMW 4 Series Gran Coupé, Audi A5 Sportback, Volkswagen Arteon

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/kia/stinger/first-drives/kia-stinger-22-crdi-2018-uk-review

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Kia Stinger: 5 Rivals it needs to beat

The Kia Stinger is the Korean's first attempt at a true performance sedan and much is expected of it when it arrives in South Africa. Here are five rivals it will have to beat.

Powered by a 3.3-litre twin-turbo V6 engine which packs a 272 kW and 510 Nm punch, the Kia Stinger has notable performance credentials. Power goes to the rear wheels via an eight-speed automatic gearbox. Kia claims a 0-100 kph time of 4.9 seconds and it'll run onto a top speed of 270 kph. Kia South Africa has confirmed a price tag of R859 995, which may seem a lot, but when compared to its rivals and spec-for-spec, it looks like quite reasonable bang for buck.

The Kia Stinger has the spec advantage as it comes fully loaded, whereas some of its rivals need optional extras that increase the total list price. On paper then, things look quite good for the Korean, but will this be enough to sway the South African buying public who are German car-obsessed?

Audi S5 Sportback (R936 000)

The first German out the block is the Audi S5 Sportback quattro, a stylish and luxurious offering. Powered by a 3.0-litre turbocharged V6 with 260 kW and 500 Nm, it's brisk to 100 kph, which Audi claims is dispatched in just 4.7 seconds. It also has all-wheel drive, meaning it's not going to be as hands-on as the Stinger, but it's still an admirable GT.

BMW 440i Gran Coupe (R929 501)

The stylish BMW 440i Gran Coupe M Sport is one devilishly handsome vehicle and based on looks alone, you wonder why people still buy the 3 Series. It features a 3.0-litre turbocharged straight-six motor which produces 240 kW and 450 Nm. Power goes to the rear wheels via an eight-speed automatic transmission, and it'll hurtle to 100 kph in a claimed 5.1 seconds. It's unusual for a BMW to be the slowest car amongst its competition, but in a straight line battle, it appears to be slightly outgunned.

Mercedes-AMG C43 (R924 238)

Recently facelifted, the new Mercedes-AMG C43 has yet to reach our shores, but it's also promising brisk straight-line performance thanks to a 3.0-litre biturbo V6 engine mated to an all-wheel-drive setup. AMG claims the C43 will breach 100 kph in a claimed 4.7 seconds. We do expect that the updated C-Class will go on sale in SA during the second half of 2018.

Jaguar XE S (R1 014 161)

Unfortunately, the pricing of the Jaguar XE S really hurts it as on paper at least, it looks like a formidable offering. It too features a blown 3.0-litre V6. With 280 kW and 450 Nm, it'll race to 100 kph in a claimed 5 seconds. The Jag offers rear-driven handling dynamics and one of the most adaptable chassis in the segment, offering comfort and sportscar handling in the same package.

Ford Mustang (R872 200)

While all of the above cars are four-door models, it's interesting to point out that for very similar money to the Kia Stinger, you can get behind the wheel of the iconic American muscle car. Admittedly it's a manual-equipped derivative, but when you fire up that 5.0-litre Coyote V8 motor with 306 kW and 530 Nm, you'll forget about having to row the gears yourself. Ford claims the Mustang will do 0-100 kph in 4.8 seconds. The Mustang also continues to be SA's best-selling sportscar, something the Stinger will be hoping it can eat away at.

https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/kia-stinger-5-rivals-it-needs-to-beat/44978/
 

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Kia or BMW? Is Actually a Real Question Now

With the ambitious Stinger GT, the Korean automotive industry has announced its ambition to infuse its products with dynamism – and not nominally either, but to a level that will rival the best in the business. Kia is making a clear statement; it's not just about sales...
Kia’s product people will tell you it was a project decades in the making. The desire to execute a luxury car, with driving dynamics to rivals Germany’s best.

The ascent of Kia as an automotive brand is inarguable. Its sales success and residual values in the South African market are testaments to a brand that has positively altered perceptions. One hardly recalls the awfulness of those first Sportages, which arrived here in the late 1990s. But for all the popularity of Picanto and excellence of its SUVs, Kia realises that to be recognised as an established challenger, instead of being the perennial pretender, it must also market a car which is somewhat German.

After months of speculation, Kia recently confirmed that its Stinger GT will become available in limited numbers locally. This daring product strategy is also a moment of truth for South African car buyers, allowing them to judge if a South Korean vehicle can be the equal of one sourced from southern Germany. Stinger GT becomes both the most expensive and powerful Korean car to ever go on sale in South Africa: you pay R5 short of R860k for 272 kW and typically generous Kia equipment levels.

To industry observers, Kia’s South African approach with Stinger GT appears unwise. But Stinger GT is an apex point for the Korean industry, a necessary show of confidence. Stinger GT’s purpose is not so much to sell, but to show exactly what South Korean automotive engineering is truly capable of.

Ignoring the low-hanging fruit
Scrutinise the specification and there isn’t a single number that is suspicious or substandard. As a collection of digits, the Stinger GT is very convincing. Kia’s 3.3-litre V6 is twin-turbocharged to banish lag and boosts 272 kW of peak power, supported by a surge of torque, 510 Nm rotating that crankshaft at only 1 300 rpm.

This Stinger GT is an awful lot of car for the money, sacrificing little performance for the convenience of 406 litres of liftback-enabled boot space. But there is a problem. It competes in a dying segment against some astonishingly mature rivals. The sedan market is retracting rapidly everywhere but China, replaced by insatiable consumer demand for SUVs and crossovers. You’d think Kia would have invested in a Sportage GT if market behaviour was leading its high-performance vehicle planning.

Large luxury sedans and limousines will always remain, but there is a real fear that in less than a decade the once burgeoning D-segment luxury four-door car won’t exist anymore – at least in any configuration that we have become accustomed to, since the 1980s. It does appear a bit counterintuitive that Kia would deploy so many resources in creating a halo vehicle for a declining market. Not only does Stinger GT launch into a troubled market, but it’s also a brutally competitive one, facing some of the best designs from Audi and BMW: A5 Sportback and 440i Gran Coupe.

Disposing of a chief engineer to build a car capable of rivalling German D-segment status symbols is a suicide brief. Lexus has tried, valiantly, and Jaguar flirts with moments of inspiration courtesy of XE, but luxury four-door performance cars are a realm of undisturbed German excellence. Why would Kia try and disrupt that?

For Kia, Stinger GT is not a vanity project, its purpose is much deeper than that. This is not mere grandstanding, it’s an attempt to affirm not only the credibility of Kia – but the South Korean car industry in broader terms. It’s akin to an automotive Samsung Galaxy moment. Remember when iPhone was the only Smartphone worth having? Seemingly incapable of being rivalled? Exactly. With Stinger GT, Kia is attempting to replicate Samsung’s Galaxy success on four wheels.

To compete with Germans, you need to be… German
The secret to Stinger GT’s convincing specification and performance potential is the fact that it is built in Korea, with input from Koreans, but the idea and final execution authority resided with a German: Albert Biermann. If you are a BMW enthusiast that name might sound roundly familiar as Biermann used to be the boss of all things engineering at BMW’s M Division.

Unlike their Asian rivals across the Sea of Japan, the Koreans aren’t indifferent to entrusting lead design and engineering positions to foreigners. Having established amazing efficiency in their industrial engineering and materials sourcing, Kia started evolving from a bland quality brand to one with a distinct style all of its own. That styling revolution, which has credibly differentiated Kia, is the responsibility of former Audi design chief, Peter Schreyer.

A similar logic applies to the Korean quest for that most elusive recognition that every aspiring car brand desires: to be graded as being capable of building a proper performance car. Lexus may never repeat its LFA, but the brand equity it gained from the supercar project was tremendous. For Kia, its Stinger GT is much of the same: a symbol that it can do uncompromised engineering excellence at least as well as the Germans can.

It’s why Kia did something humbling, by plainly poaching a few of the best German performance car engineers available. Biermann in his position at BMW M was exactly who Kia wanted and, given the opportunity to do something radically new after 32 years at BMW, was too much of an incentive to disrupt for him to ignore.

The German contribution to Stinger GT is not absolute. Any performance car is anchored by the quality of its engine and the 3.3-litre twin-turbocharged V6 is very much Kia’s own design and the work of its Korean powertrain team. Biermann’s task was to harmonise the 8-speed automatic transmission, 272 kW engine and the Stinger GT’s platform dimensions into an integrated engineering package which would be refined when required, but also clip apexes with the best BMWs too.

That would not be the easiest task as his former brand, BMW, has set a very high standard with its 440i Gran Coupe, as has Audi with its S5 Sportback. By virtue of Biermann’s 3 decades at BMW, he possesses an unrivalled technical literacy of the nuances between ride quality, sound insulation and a rewarding driver experience. As Biermann turns 60 this year, he hasn’t been pouring over data streams and 3D drawings at Kia, his role is to guide the gifted team of young Korean engineers to envision and execute what is achievable beyond their collective comfort zone.

With the Stinger GT, Biermann has delivered a convincing German D-Segment performance sedan. It’s only weakness is mass, at 1 855 kg it’s notably heavier than a 440i Gran Coupe and A5 Sportback. The Kia might best BMW’s in-line six with its V6, but the difference in mass does slow its sprinting ability, although it still manages to be 2/10ths of a second faster from 0-100 kph than the BMW, running the benchmark in 4.9 seconds. That’s correct, you can now buy a sub-5 second Korean car.

Measured in performance, appearance and technical proficiency this is the first time that a Kia has ever been merited as a rival to anything BMW. Pricing is an issue, the Stinger GT is a bargain alternative to 440i, BUT also the most expensive Korean car ever marketed in South Africa. Legacy BMW brand confidence could unbalance the appeal of that nearly R50 000 price advantage that the Kia enjoys over a 440i Gran Coupe, compared to wildly unknown residual values for the Stinger GT in future.

The Stinger GT is a tellingly symbolic car. It represents where the Korean automotive industry would like to see itself in 2018: a performance sedan capable of rivalling Germany’s best. In 1998, it would have been laughable that a Kia sedan could ever rival any BMW. Twenty years later, a former BMW engineer has made certain Kia can.

https://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/kia-or-bmw-is-actually-a-real-question-now/45006/
 

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Over priced and the horrid after thought Entertainment system where they just take a Tablet and stick it on the dash
 

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Over priced and the horrid after thought Entertainment system where they just take a Tablet and stick it on the dash
It's integrated like that across their entire range and doesn't seem stuck on the dash at all when you sit in the car unlike say the Mercedes A-class and other cars. And you are quick to say this...but the BMW M3 (and it's lesser models in the range) have an almost identical screen system.

Also it's won awards for having the best interior...

But out of interest...what makes it over priced? Based on what exactly?
 
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What is the interior made out of? Plastic? Real leather seats?
Nappa leather mate.

Everything else was either delightful or wonderful or better than I was expecting. If you were in the market for a BMW M3, or a fast Audi or a Mercedes-AMG, it’s certain you’d be better off with the Kia. But of course you wouldn’t dream of doing such a thing. A Kia? What the hell would the neighbours think?

https://www.driving.co.uk/car-reviews/clarkson/clarkson-review-2018-kia-stinger-gt-s/

And this is literally going to be the problem with this car. It will be objectively better than most and for less money...but will struggle with a subjective perception issue.

I'd love to pick one up for half the price in five years.
 
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Kia Stinger GT Stings Ford Mustang GT In Quarter-Mile Competition Again

Kia’s Stinger GT is remarkably similar to Ford’s Mustang GT in that they’re fun to drive, about the same price, similarly beautiful, and pretty darn close on the drag strip. Given ideal conditions and an ideal driver, the Mustang GT will eke out a victory in the quarter mile, but as has been proven before, and again in this video, the Mustang doesn’t always have the balls to get the win. Stock for stock, the Kia is factory-rated to run a low 13-second et, while the Mustang is occasionally capable of knocking down the quarter in less than twelve. Somehow, in this test, that wasn’t the case.

Throttle House doesn’t provide their elapsed times for either car, but they do show repeated victories with slim and shrinking margins for the Kia. Clearly the Mustang has the legs on the top end over the Korean sedan. Given a standing mile, or even another few yards, the Mustang would definitely overtake the fastback sedan. However, the Stinger’s AWD and turbocharged torque are super beneficial off the start line in less-than-ideal conditions, or with a less than perfectly experienced driver. In the hands of a civilian, the Stinger would likely be faster nine times out of ten.

Okay, so the drag strip story has been told, what about a road course competition? Back to back comparisons find the Stinger with a more agile feel, and a more adept corner turn in. Through the corner, even, the drivers comment how balanced the Kia feels. It doesn’t quite have the grunt of the Ford’s big V8, which gains speed on every straight. The Kia’s extra weight is also more punishing on the brakes and tires than the Mustang, which shouldn’t really be a surprise. The lap times at the Toronto-based track are not exactly a surprise, either. The Mustang beats the Kia, but the fact that the two can even be mentioned in the same sentence together is a victory for Kia.

If you’re looking for a fun car that you will drive with perhaps one other passenger, the Mustang is hard to beat. If you have a couple of kids and need a decent sized hatchback, however, and still want something fun to drive and exciting to look at, get the Kia.

https://jalopnik.com/kia-stinger-gt-stings-ford-mustang-gt-in-quarter-mile-c-1826508550

[video=youtube_share;rdsxfTJiTVw]https://youtu.be/rdsxfTJiTVw[/video]
 

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Kia Stinger: 5 Things - CarAdvice

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CarTell.tv review

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RegularCars review

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Edmunds review

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Redline Reviews of the Stinger 2.0T

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Kia SA takes a stab at Germans after World Cup game

Kia South Africa just couldn’t resist taking a dig at the German car companies after South Korea booted Germany out of the Soccer World Cup with an emphatic 2-0 win on Wednesday.

After the game, the importer’s social media team posted a picture of its soon-to-be-launched Stinger on Twitter, with the message: “We’ve always known South Koreans can beat the Germans.”

This is in fact quite a timely provocation as Kia is set to unleash the Stinger in South Africa this August, where it will compete against the likes of Audi’s S5 Sportback and BMW’s 440i Gran Coupe.

As previously reported, the Stinger will go on sale in GT guise, priced at R859 995.

This particular model is powered by a twin-turbocharged 3.3-litre V6 engine - rated at 272kW and 510Nm, and said to be capable of a 4.9 second 0-100km/h dash.

Power goes to the rear wheels through an eight-speed automatic gearbox and car rides on electronically adjustable suspension which stiffens and softens to match driving conditions.

Let the games begin!

https://www.iol.co.za/motoring/industry-news/kia-sa-takes-a-stab-at-germans-after-world-cup-game-15727938

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