The Madeleine McCann Missing Thread

Do you think Madeleine McCann died in the family's holiday apartment?

  • Yes

    Votes: 116 60.7%

  • No

    Votes: 75 39.3%
  • Total voters
    191
MidnightWizard said:
IF these young girls are to be used in Satanic rituals then they pretty much have very little time before their demise.
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Satanic rituals?

MidnightWizard said:
Well no wonder the Wests Intelligence agencies are a bunch of useless morons.

It is all those "chancy" lie detector tests they have to undergo all the time.

Beats me , if it is all a load of old ****e , WHY they continue with it , and why it is absolutely essential in keeping your job.

( Refusal to undergo the test are grounds for termination of service )
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Hosehead said:
Yet to be hired by the FBI, CIA, MI5, M16, NSA, etc etc you need to pass one.
Interesting.

They remove doubts- but they can be beaten if a person is taking a tranquilizer for one example.
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Then obviously they're very reliable. I mean the CIA would never believe anything that was crackpot or unreliable.

The very fact that they are relied upon when they have a high failure rate is a problem. Viewing them as trustworthy and allowing them to remove doubt puts an organisation at risk.
 
waynegohl said:
thanks daveza, did the parents check their OWN kids at different intervals or did other parents check on EACH OTHERS kids too?
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From the Wiki

Her parents reported to the police that they had taken Madeleine to their holiday apartment at 18:00 Western European Summer Time, to prepare Madeleine and her two-year-old twin siblings for bed.[14] Then they left at 20:30, leaving the apartment unlocked, to dine with friends approximately 130 yards (120 metres) away at a tapas bar within the Mark Warner Ocean Summer Club.[1][15] The McCanns said that they were taking turns checking on their children. At 20:55 Matthew Oldfield approached the bedroom window of the children to check if he could hear any noise in the room and at approximately 21:05/21:15 Gerry checked on the children. At 21:20 Jane Tanner noticed a man carrying a child going down the road next to the apartment of the McCanns. Slightly further down the road, Gerry was chatting to Jeremy Wilkins, whom he had met at the resort, and neither noticed Tanner as she walked past them to join the rest of the group at the tapas restaurant.[16] At 21:30 Matthew Oldfield went to check the children but saw only the twins through the open bedroom door.[17]
At around 22:00, Kate returned to check on the children and found Madeleine's bed empty and the bedroom window open.[18] An Ocean Club nanny, Charlotte Pennington, who was one of the first people to arrive at the apartment, said that Kate screamed both "They've taken her, they've taken her!" and "Madeleine's gone!".[19] Kate said that the police were called within 10 minutes of finding her daughter gone.[20] Gerry said it was one of their friends who alerted the resort manager and the police.[21]
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Loving this thread.

This is debate. No personal attacks, no lost tempers.

I am not a very good debater but love reading a good "match"
 
Hosehead said:
You should look at some of the more plausible theories on why the car was not utilised immediately;) There are plenty
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You seem to have a theory ...?

I have no clue what happened to Madelaine, but more than half the pollsters here say the parents did it.

I'm very curious as to why they think so, and why and how they think it was done.
 
Hosehead said:
No You got that wrong. He was misquoted.;)
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Based on some of his statements he is hardly in a position to claim defamation.

We would add that the continued portrayal of Mr Amaral as a ‘disgraced cop’ is wholly inaccurate. It was he and his detective colleagues who exposed the lies of the mother and uncle of 8-year-old Joana Cipriano,who claimed she had been abducted. Thanks to Mr Amaral, those two are now behind bars for 16 and 20 years respectively for the murder of Joana.
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No mention of the beating, the retracted confession, or the fact that he is facing charges relating to this case.

But I'm quite happy to accept the translation cock-up. Typically though his lawyers are acting as though he was accused of being Hitlers accomplice.
 
There is one thing that bugs me, although it doesn't make any difference to the complete lack of evidence against them.

I am surprised that parents would leave two year old twins alone.

Apparently the parents could see the front door from where they were dining and perhaps as it was a ' resort ' they were lulled into a false sense of security.

Still not something I would have done - or at least would have invested in a babysitter.
 
once again thanks daveza.

maybe we can solve this case tonight.

were the other parents questioned at all?
 
Perhaps ?????

daveza said:
An ' odour ' was detected in the hire car, which by it's description has hundreds of users. Nowhere can I find a window of opportunity between the time the family left for dinner and the arrival of the investigators wherein the McCanns could have stuffed a body in the boot, driven it away and disposed of it so well that it was never found.
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Perhaps they never drove away ........

Body goes into a deep freeze -- to be moved later -- perhaps by someone else

WHAT are friends for after all.


MW
 
MidnightWizard said:
Perhaps they never drove away ........

Body goes into a deep freeze -- to be moved later -- perhaps by someone else

WHAT are friends for after all.


MW
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Which deep freeze, how did they get her there, how was it not found during an intensive search, how did she die.

If it was an accident, to decide to cover it up on the spur of the moment and to find a place to store a body beyond where it could not be found in a strange place within 30 minutes is quite a reach.
 
marine1 said:
I still think the parents are guilty I don't know why I just have a feeling about them.
Maybe one day we will find out what happened
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I was 100% certain that the mother was responsible for the death of JonBenet Ramsey and I was wrong.

There's just nothing that makes sense in this case.
 
mom and dad were both doctors if i remember correctly and with 3 kids that age it must have been a struggle for them. maddy looks like a girl with a problem of sorts and might have just been a handful for them that night. maybe she was on medication but that night she would not sleep so one of the parents gives her a clap, hence the blood, and they up the dosage and it ends badly for them.

but........................................................
 
Hair samples from all three children were tested and no trace of chemicals were found - thus they were not in the habit of sedating the kids.

They are medical people so it seems very unlikely they would overdose their child.

Presuming that they did do so still doesn't begin to explain the subsequent events.
 
daveza said:
Hair samples from all three children were tested and no trace of chemicals were found - thus they were not in the habit of sedating the kids.

They are medical people so it seems very unlikely they would overdose their child.

Presuming that they did do so still doesn't begin to explain the subsequent events.
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i hear you.
 
My theory is irrelevent. I'm just interested in the Canine aspects of the investigation. I don't buy into the abduction party line. I do believe that canine olfaction is presently beyond the capacity of any lab analysis or current technology -which, unfortunately is necessary be able to ascertain validity. That's why DNA and specimens are returned "inconclusive"

Scientists accept that there is no forensic testing equipment as discriminatory as the dogs olfactory system at this present moment in time.
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I believe that the inherent difficulty of the case (which to me is cut and dried) is in this statement
forensic confirmation is required in all cases so as to be included as proof
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I believe Lab and tech need to catch up with the dog!

Read Martin Grimes documentation here http://www.the3arguidos.info/topic128.html

It makes a compelling case.
 
Perhaps

daveza said:
Which deep freeze, how did they get her there, how was it not found during an intensive search, how did she die.
If it was an accident, to decide to cover it up on the spur of the moment and to find a place to store a body beyond where it could not be found in a strange place within 30 minutes is quite a reach.
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Body out the window -- opened by Mrs McCann ( according to forensics )

Some people can think on their feet -- quickly.

Bring on the MOSSAD lie-detector experts.


MW
 
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