The Madeleine McCann Missing Thread

Do you think Madeleine McCann died in the family's holiday apartment?

  • Yes

    Votes: 116 60.7%

  • No

    Votes: 75 39.3%
  • Total voters
    191
Bradbowlllama said:
The trouble with speculation is you spend hours in your mind painting a dim picture and blame people who you don't know for something you have less hope knowing about than the cops who can't charge them for lack of evidence... not much point IMO.
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Keep in mind that the British government and police did their utmost to derail the investigation.
I can only imagine that if Portuguese authorities had the choice between letting two murderers go or losing millions and millions of Euros because UK governments are making it difficult for their citizens to travel to Portugal for holiday, they'd choose door number one.
 
Bradbowlllama said:
The trouble with speculation is you spend hours in your mind painting a dim picture and blame people who you don't know for something you have less hope knowing about than the cops who can't charge them for lack of evidence... not much point IMO.
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You're right of course, but I think speculating is human nature, we just can't help ourselves.
zeb said:
Keep in mind that the British government and police did their utmost to derail the investigation.
I can only imagine that if Portuguese authorities had the choice between letting two murderers go or losing millions and millions of Euros because UK governments are making it difficult for their citizens to travel to Portugal for holiday, they'd choose door number one.
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I don't think that the UK could derail the investigation or make it difficult, for their citizens, to travel to what is just another EU country. Two things derailed the investigation, IMO:
  • The lack of experience of the Portugese police. This is no indictment of them, they were just country coppers after all.
  • The McCann's going to Sky News (an international English-speaking news station), rather than involving local media and getting local help which was badly needed.
 
blunomore said:
The trouble with that argument is that thave had very little time to dispose of a body. And from the day after the disappearance, the press was all over the place, so opportunities were almost non-existent. If they buried her somewhere or threw her into the sea, some evidence would have surfaced.
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I would have to agree with you a little on this, but for me there is still more to this whole story and whether we ever hear the truth that remains to be seen.
 
did anyone see sky news today as they had a story on there that said a child that looked like maddie was seen in Amsterdam days after her disappearance and that a shop keeper had spoken to her. this story is a strange one indeed.
 
PPC_SouthAfrica said:
There is still a lot more to this story and I don't think we will ever know the truth only the parents will, sorry no parent would leave children alone like that get a baby sitter or something but don't let your kids stay alone at night while you go to dinner with friends thats just plain stupid!!!!!!
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Damn near every parent has left their kids in some place where they're not in direct contact with them - like in a room on the other side of a big house, or whatever. You cannot be in view of them every single minute of the day. While it may have not been the most sensible thing the McCanns did (and I'll bet they regret it every single day), they may have been lulled by the apparent security and safety of the holiday hotel.

Go look at cars in traffic, check how many have their kids buckled up, and then tell me that the majority of people are super careful with their kids.
 
zeb said:
They gave their children sedatives when they went out at night. That's enough to convict them of neglegince.

Here's the version I believe : That night they spiked the hot chocolate as usual but unbeknownst to them the twins don't want theirs so Maddie finishes it for them. She dies of a drug overdose and the parents dispose of the body.
Then they play the blame game and make millions. Filthy bastards :mad:
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My suspicions as well.

*EDIT* Maybe this will be controversial or has been done, but how about a poll "Do you believe the parents were involved in the disappearance? Yes\No"
 
runswithscissors said:
Perhaps the most comprehensive forum dealing with the whole Madeline saga is www.the3arguidos.net The forum has been now limited to registered members probably for legal reasons, but nevertheless if interested worth a look.
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Yes, that is the one I used to visit very often. They will have looooong threads on the minutest of details concering the case. No stone unturned in their discussions!
 
Claymore said:
Damn near every parent has left their kids in some place where they're not in direct contact with them - like in a room on the other side of a big house, or whatever. You cannot be in view of them every single minute of the day. While it may have not been the most sensible thing the McCanns did (and I'll bet they regret it every single day), they may have been lulled by the apparent security and safety of the holiday hotel.

Go look at cars in traffic, check how many have their kids buckled up, and then tell me that the majority of people are super careful with their kids.
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The problem - and THIS is why people suspect the McCanns - is that they themselves said that they got the feeling that they were being watched in the days before Madeleine's disappearance.

It is either the truth (that they were indeed being watched) or they made that up to take suspicion off themselves and place it elsewhere .............
 
blunomore said:
Yes, that is the one I used to visit very often. They will have looooong threads on the minutest of details concering the case. No stone unturned in their discussions!
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This 3A was an offshoot from the UK Daily Mirror Madeline forums which were eventually shut down after almost a year following her disappearence and with it, the thousands of posts- no doubt by Crafty Clarence...who threatened legal action and the Mirror got scared. Amazing that forum held out as long as it did. No other UK tabloid or broadsheet forum tolerated any form of maddie critical coverage- only the Mirror.
 
blunomore said:
The problem - and THIS is why people suspect the McCanns - is that they themselves said that they got the feeling that they were being watched in the days before Madeleine's disappearance.

It is either the truth (that they were indeed being watched) or they made that up to take suspicion off themselves and place it elsewhere .............
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If they did do it, then it was extraordinarily strange behaviour to go go to the lengths they did to get publicity and public attention. Anyone actually guilty would not want that level of attention focused on them.
 
Claymore said:
If they did do it, then it was extraordinarily strange behaviour to go go to the lengths they did to get publicity and public attention. Anyone actually guilty would not want that level of attention focused on them.
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Unless they used the "hiding in plain sight of the enemy" tactic. If they were so 'in your face' people would not suspect them.
 
blunomore said:
Unless they used the "hiding in plain sight of the enemy" tactic. If they were so 'in your face' people would not suspect them.
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That's not "hiding in plain site", that's wearing a clown outfit with blinky lights and blowing a trumpet in sight of the enemy. If that's what they did, they'd have to have been incredibly stupid.
 
Claymore said:
That's not "hiding in plain site", that's wearing a clown outfit with blinky lights and blowing a trumpet in sight of the enemy. If that's what they did, they'd have to have been incredibly stupid.
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That is exactly what the phrase means, claymore. If you 'hide in plain sight of the enemy', you are in fact showing yourself, hoping that the enemy - in the case the police/public/LE - would not think you would dare be so bold.
 
blunomore said:
That is exactly what the phrase means, claymore. If you 'hide in plain sight of the enemy', you are in fact showing yourself, hoping that the enemy - in the case the police/public/LE - would not think you would dare be so bold.
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"Hiding in plain sight" means making yourself visible, but non-obvious. For example, a code could "hide in plain sight" by being printed on the same page as other information. Printing the code in underlined red text, however, would not be hiding in plain sight.

"Hiding in plain sight" could perhaps describe one of the other hotels guests and friend of the McCanns, for example, but it certainly could not describe what the McCanns were doing.
 
This is a tragic story whichever way you look at it. I for one find it highly unlikely that the McCanns are anything other than victims of an unspeakable crime. To suggest they might be complicit in the child's disappearance is entirely unwarranted by the known facts and therefore monstrously insensitive. From the very outset they used every possible means to get the widest possible publicity, which is exactly what I would do if my child were kidnapped. What horror. Those with 'inklings' and 'suspicions' that 'there's more to the story than meets the eye' are really suggesting the McCanns are not innocent. What happened to the presumption of innocence?
 
Claymore said:
"Hiding in plain sight" means making yourself visible, but non-obvious. For example, a code could "hide in plain sight" by being printed on the same page as other information. Printing the code in underlined red text, however, would not be hiding in plain sight.

"Hiding in plain sight" could perhaps describe one of the other hotels guests and friend of the McCanns, for example, but it certainly could not describe what the McCanns were doing.
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Agree to disagree.
 
Arthur said:
This is a tragic story whichever way you look at it. I for one find it highly unlikely that the McCanns are anything other than victims of an unspeakable crime. To suggest they might be complicit in the child's disappearance is entirely unwarranted by the known facts and therefore monstrously insensitive. From the very outset they used every possible means to get the widest possible publicity, which is exactly what I would do if my child were kidnapped. What horror. Those with 'inklings' and 'suspicions' that 'there's more to the story than meets the eye' are really suggesting the McCanns are not innocent. What happened to the presumption of innocence?
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If you took trouble to follow the case closely and read a lot of what was said/written - or not said/written - many things simply do not add up. Too many to describe here, but these two parents acted HIGHLY SUSPICIOUSLY.

You really think that because they used every possible means to get the widest possible publicity, they are therefore innocent?
1. Do you remember the case of Susan Smith, the American woman who made a plea on TV saying a black man hi-jacked her car with her kids in it? Turns out she herself drove the car (with the pooor kids in the back) into a river and drowned them.
2. Do you remember the case of Scott Peterson whose pregnant wife went missing? He pleaded on TV for assistance from the public and he helped search for her. Turns out her killed her and dumped her body in a river.

Think again ........ people are often not what they would like you to believe.
 
blunomore said:
1. Do you remember the case of Susan Smith, the American woman who made a plea on TV saying a black man hi-jacked her car with her kids in it? Turns out she herself drove the car (with the pooor kids in the back) into a river and drowned them.
2. Do you remember the case of Scott Peterson whose pregnant wife went missing? He pleaded on TV for assistance from the public and he helped search for her. Turns out her killed her and dumped her body in a river.

Think again ........ people are often not what they would like you to believe.
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And they were caught in fairly short order.
 
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