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Manucho. United have bought him but he has be loaned out to Panathinaikos for the rest of the season.
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I see. That kinda sucks. Would have been decent backup to have. Or something different to bring off the bench.
 
hj2k_x said:
I see. That kinda sucks. Would have been decent backup to have. Or something different to bring off the bench.
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He wouldn't have gotten a work permit, so he had to be loaned out somewhere.
 
hj2k_x said:
Because you have to play a certain number of games to qualify for one?
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As far as I remember you have to have played in a certain percentage (80 or 90) of your nation's international games in the last 2 years among other requirements. Can't say for sure.
 
The Day I Began To Love United...

I remember precisely the first time I became acutely aware of the enormous affection and personal feeling of so many people towards Manchester United Football Club. I remember it so precisely because it is inextricably entwined with memories of my own childhood and my relationship with my father and grandfather.

In January 1994, Sir Matt Busby, the man who created Manchester United to put it plainly and symbolically, passed away at the age of 84. After further evidence of what is surely a lifelong ability to rile even the most placid of folk, my seven-year old incarnation crept tearfully up the stairs to bed after a terse altercation with my father. My mother followed me into the dark room and perched herself on the bed, quietly suggesting that I 'go easy on my father, for he's very upset that one of his heroes has died'.

As a boy who often marvelled at his father's sense of calmness and authoritative restraint, the prospect of my father being upset at the death of a man I knew nothing of nor had ever met was subtly shocking to me. Like most young boys there is a distinct feeling of one's father as indestructible, being the one who induces the tears rather than cries them. As I learned more of Matt Busby in the days following his death, I felt for the first time a closeness with my father's younger self. The sense of wonder he conveyed when regaling me with tales of Georgie Best, Bobby Charlton and Denis Law held a romance and vigour that have not diminished one iota in the following years.

Until 1994, football had been one of those irritating distractions that childhood is so frustratingly burdened with; cartoons would be brutally swiped from the television screen as my father tuned in to what were then rare, live televised games. I found football colourless, a blizzard of noise and monotony that was out to ruin my afternoons. Now, from my father's mouth came a strange and epic tale that could relate more keenly to the inquisitive young mind.

As I became a follower of Manchester United and learnd to love football in the same way so many of my peers already did, I never lost the original stamp that Busby's death and my father's uncharacteristic reaction left on me. Manchester United Football Club became the greatest story I had ever heard and each week another chapter was written; one that in the mid-90s was often as glorious and thrilling as the halcyon days my dad had witnessed during his youth.

The Munich Air Disaster of 1958 occurred when my father was only three years old. At this time my grandfather would go to watch Manchester City play at Maine Road one Saturday and then venture to Old Trafford the following week. My dad told me that the Munich Air Disaster was the key point in Manchester United's history, the point where the club became a worldwide concern and forever tinged with tragedy, sentiment and elegy.

The names roll off my tongue now; Geoff Bent, Mark Jones, Billy Whelan, David Pegg, Eddie Colman, Roger Byrne, Tommy Taylor and Duncan Edwards. The Busby Babes were deigned the best team England had ever produced up until that point. The little footage I have witnessed of them bears testament to the speed and ingenuity they played football with; a style that was strikingly futuristic to the minions that packed into Old Trafford and the grounds around England to watch them play each week.

Duncan Edwards, England's greatest player at the tender age of 21; Tommy Taylor, the most expensive centre-forward in England at £29,999; David Pegg and Eddie Colman, deadly wingers that thrust the Babes' forward line forth with unerring consistency; Roger Byrne, England's most experienced full-back and a father figure to many of the fledglings; Geoff Bent, Mark Jones and Billy Whelan, bright young starlets poised for great things on the domestic and international stage. The little I know about these players I treasure, for the brittle pieces of jewelry that Munich left for the families, friends and fans who worshipped every dribble, swivel and shot are effervescent and golden.

Though I have seen very little footage of the Busby Babes, I feel their legacy every time Ronaldo bursts through the middle of the field towards goal and every time Paul Scholes manoeuvres the ball around with a grace and guile seldom seen in the often-crude contemporary game. Fans will moan at the greed and corruption present in so many of Manchester United's modern-day actions, yet I always find a way to see beauty and purity in the football built from Busby's innovation. Maybe this is desperation to find something worth believing in during an age of terror and confusion, yet it feels like something so much more substantial.

When I sit in the seat my father frequented for so many years and stand on the terrace where my grandfather watched the modern game being born, I feel part of something intransigent and colossal; a Mancunian revelation that evokes my family, my home and my city in widescreen technicolour. Memories that link generations, carved out by those brave young men in red.

Joseph Ganley

This article first appeared on the ever-excellent www.uwsonline.com
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Nice :)
 
For me, Anderson, Nani and Park are not up to scratch, not that anyone had a great game. We did have chances in the first half.

Carrick is poo as well. I don't care about the goal or his 'work rate'.

We had nothing to bring on off the bench. We should have strengthened in the window. Not that we are out of it, but it's not going to be easy from now on.
 
You guys missed Rooney big time. Even if he isn't scoring goals, he makes things happen.
 
personally i think leaving out carrick and hargreaves is a big mistake

since scholes has come back its ruined united winning form
 
they were pathetic. all over the place. so much possession but no penetration. htf can ferguson place ronaldo as striker? that's so phucking dumb. he needs to be in midfield, where he can see the ball and work with it. when he is striker, he has to wait for others to give him the ball, whereas if he's in the midfield, he has the ball all the time. ferguson is a fart. also, if we look at this game and united's game against tottenham, it's quite apparent that ronaldo wasn't at all involved in these games and these are the games in which we dropped points. whenever ronaldo is part of the game, we win. the last two games, ronaldo wasn't in the games and we lost. everyone else were just as poor. we had all the possession but man city got 2 or 3 good chances and took it. at the end of the day it doesn't matter who had the most possession or who played better, but it comes down to who took their chances. city took theirs. that's all that matters. united have handed the title to arsenal, who deserve to win it.
 
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arsenal might not get anything at blackburn or might get 3 points

5 point difference with united and chelsea still to play

thats six point if they loose both games

dont give it up until you know for sure, united like to come from behind and arsenal have shown they cannot maintain a big lead
 
killadoob said:
chill

arsenal might not get anything at blackburn or might get 3 points

5 point difference with united and chelsea still to play

thats six point if they loose both games

dont give it up until you know for sure, united like to come from behind and arsenal have shown they cannot maintain a big lead
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the way united is playing now, they're not gonna win anything this season. chelsea played at home and couldn't even beat liverpool, how on earth are they going to get anything against arsenal? i can only hope that things turn around. united will need to get their act together quickly.
 
well most of chelsea's players will back from african cup duty

im pretty sure thats going to boost chelsea big time

united are fighters, united dont know how to lead they love to chase and they play out their skins when chasing

arsenal also dont lead well as proven through out the season

its going to a very interesting time

champs league prem league fa cup

lots of games to come, relax 5 points is not alot and nothing is said and done just yet
 
mercurial said:
they were pathetic. all over the place. so much possession but no penetration. htf can ferguson place ronaldo as striker? that's so phucking dumb. he needs to be in midfield, where he can see the ball and work with it. when he is striker, he has to wait for others to give him the ball, whereas if he's in the midfield, he has the ball all the time. ferguson is a fart. also, if we look at this game and united's game against tottenham, it's quite apparent that ronaldo wasn't at all involved in these games and these are the games in which we dropped points. whenever ronaldo is part of the game, we win. the last two games, ronaldo wasn't in the games and we lost. everyone else were just as poor. we had all the possession but man city got 2 or 3 good chances and took it. at the end of the day it doesn't matter who had the most possession or who played better, but it comes down to who took their chances. city took theirs. that's all that matters. united have handed the title to arsenal, who deserve to win it.
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I agree with you about Ronaldo. He is NOT a striker. We should have started with Carrick or Hargreaves- at least one of them.

I don't agree that it's over yet though. Two poor games, only one of which we lost is not the end of the world. The Arse have tough games left, including United.

If we get out act together and Fergie starts playing the right formation we can win a lot this season.

FA cup next week should be interesting :)
 
i would drop both scholes and anderson and put in carrick and hargreaves

problem is united had flair in midfield yesterday, many ppl dont like carrick but i think he is the best midfielder/play maker united have

hargreaves shuts down players in the middle of the park and ronaldo causes havoc down the wing

i've said it before break the 3 man chain and united are outta sorts
 
killadoob said:
i would drop both scholes and anderson and put in carrick and hargreaves

problem is united had flair in midfield yesterday, many ppl dont like carrick but i think he is the best midfielder/play maker united have

hargreaves shuts down players in the middle of the park and ronaldo causes havoc down the wing

i've said it before break the 3 man chain and united are outta sorts
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I would prefer carrick/hargreaves to anderson for sure. Not sure about scholesy- He really hasn't performed this season though.

As much as we don't blame Ronaldo for playing badly out of position, what about Nani? He was IN position. I barely saw him for most of the game.
 
we all nani is not of good quality and should not be playing end of story

scholes has served united well in the past but i believe he is not playing well and its hurting united

what hurting united is rooney's stupid attitude and his stupid yellow cards for abusing the ref something i think they should fix

i have never seen a ref change his mind about a decision in my life

fine him a week wages everytime he does it

get ronaldo carrick and hargreaves playing back in their positions, keep rooney outta trouble and injury free to play alongside tevez and they will do much better

merc defend him all you want but this is very important part of the season you dont want to giving somebody a few games to get back into form when u have players like hargreaves and carrick who are in form and sitting on the bench
 
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