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Question of the Day: Main reasons you wouldn't get an EV?
The New Golf (2017 - Mk 7.5)
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3-door looks better but obviously practicality issues...
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Eighth-generation VW Golf BlueMotion to go hybrid
Power for most economical model in all-new hatchback range to come from 48v petrol-electric mild hybrid powertrain
The eighth-generation Volkswagen Golf, due in 2019, will be VW's first passenger car to adopt 48-volt electrical architecture, as revealed by Autocar only last week - and one of its impacts will likely be to redefine what's under the bonnet of the low-emissions BlueMotion model.
Volkswagen's strategy until now has been to fit a low-emissions diesel engine, augmented with low friction transmission oils and tyres, into the Golf BlueMotion as an alternative to economy-minded full hybrid petrol-electric hatchbacks such as the Toyota Prius.
But VW brand chairman Dr Herbert Diess has told Autocar that the advent of 48-volt electrical architecture will make it possible to beat the homologated carbon emissions and fuel economy of a small-capacity diesel Golf using the more powerful energy recovery and electrical assistance solutions that 48-volt technology allows for in a mild hybrid - and to do so in tandem with a small petrol engine and for a similar overall cost of a mild hybrid diesel powertrain.
"We will still offer small capacity diesel engines in the next Golf because they remain important in many markets, and because for customers who do high mileages they will remain the most economical choice," Diess explained. "But 48v allows you to recycle energy more efficiently than 12v and to use it to drive the car with an electric motor of about 10- or 12kW, at a much lower cost than you can with a full hybrid powertrain today. So for those who drive mostly in the city or only cover 6000- to 10,000 miles a year, the new mild hybrid solution should be better."
It would not make business sense for VW to combine such 48v mild hybrid technology with a modern small-capacity diesel engine, however - since doing so would result in a car too costly to appeal at the value end of the Golf model range. "Diesel hybrid is too expensive for this part of the market," Diess explained.
The news will not be welcomed by the likes of Toyota and Honda, which have had the hybrid hatchback market largely to themselves for the last two decades. It's also not yet clear how much benefit could gained from converting the 12v electrical system in a full hybrid car with an existing high-voltage circuit, such as the Prius.
Diess did not expand on what improvement 48-volt tech will deliver for the other hybrid in the Golf range - the more expensive plug-in hybrid Golf GTE - although significant improvement in real-world economy when the car is running in petrol-electric mode is likely, as are modest power & torque gains from the combustion engine.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/eighth-generation-vw-golf-bluemotion-go-hybrid
Power for most economical model in all-new hatchback range to come from 48v petrol-electric mild hybrid powertrain
The eighth-generation Volkswagen Golf, due in 2019, will be VW's first passenger car to adopt 48-volt electrical architecture, as revealed by Autocar only last week - and one of its impacts will likely be to redefine what's under the bonnet of the low-emissions BlueMotion model.
Volkswagen's strategy until now has been to fit a low-emissions diesel engine, augmented with low friction transmission oils and tyres, into the Golf BlueMotion as an alternative to economy-minded full hybrid petrol-electric hatchbacks such as the Toyota Prius.
But VW brand chairman Dr Herbert Diess has told Autocar that the advent of 48-volt electrical architecture will make it possible to beat the homologated carbon emissions and fuel economy of a small-capacity diesel Golf using the more powerful energy recovery and electrical assistance solutions that 48-volt technology allows for in a mild hybrid - and to do so in tandem with a small petrol engine and for a similar overall cost of a mild hybrid diesel powertrain.
"We will still offer small capacity diesel engines in the next Golf because they remain important in many markets, and because for customers who do high mileages they will remain the most economical choice," Diess explained. "But 48v allows you to recycle energy more efficiently than 12v and to use it to drive the car with an electric motor of about 10- or 12kW, at a much lower cost than you can with a full hybrid powertrain today. So for those who drive mostly in the city or only cover 6000- to 10,000 miles a year, the new mild hybrid solution should be better."
It would not make business sense for VW to combine such 48v mild hybrid technology with a modern small-capacity diesel engine, however - since doing so would result in a car too costly to appeal at the value end of the Golf model range. "Diesel hybrid is too expensive for this part of the market," Diess explained.
The news will not be welcomed by the likes of Toyota and Honda, which have had the hybrid hatchback market largely to themselves for the last two decades. It's also not yet clear how much benefit could gained from converting the 12v electrical system in a full hybrid car with an existing high-voltage circuit, such as the Prius.
Diess did not expand on what improvement 48-volt tech will deliver for the other hybrid in the Golf range - the more expensive plug-in hybrid Golf GTE - although significant improvement in real-world economy when the car is running in petrol-electric mode is likely, as are modest power & torque gains from the combustion engine.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/eighth-generation-vw-golf-bluemotion-go-hybrid
Nice looking car but I can't see enough differences between it and my Golf7. The centre console minus the new radio is identical to mine.
The back lights also look pretty much the same. A newer look sure, but I'm not sure if I'll notice the difference while driving past one. Mine's getting paid off next month so I can then look at something else soon...maybe.
The back lights also look pretty much the same. A newer look sure, but I'm not sure if I'll notice the difference while driving past one. Mine's getting paid off next month so I can then look at something else soon...maybe.
FiestaST
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Nice looking car but I can't see enough differences between it and my Golf7. The centre console minus the new radio is identical to mine.
The back lights also look pretty much the same. A newer look sure, but I'm not sure if I'll notice the difference while driving past one. Mine's getting paid off next month so I can then look at something else soon...maybe.
You paid that off rather quickly hey...
Congrats!
Cheers bud and thanks for the input when I was still looking.
Truth be told I didn't love the car when I bought it, buyers remorse and all that...but that's because I was still converting the price into rands, but I've done about 12,000kms in it these last 10 months and it's been an absolute pleasure on these curvy roads.
Even on the snow I can pace it just fine and it handles well, buuuuuut when we get a bit of rain and the roads form ice tracks the car's handling feels like I'm trying to squeeze a wet bar of soap between my palms..and that's with studded tyres on. Really missing 4WD on ice. That said, my work Isuzu lost it on the ice the other day and I almost went off.
When I was working up in Svalbard I used a Kia Sportage 4WD and never had a minute's trouble with it. I don't like the new shape though.
Truth be told I didn't love the car when I bought it, buyers remorse and all that...but that's because I was still converting the price into rands, but I've done about 12,000kms in it these last 10 months and it's been an absolute pleasure on these curvy roads.
Even on the snow I can pace it just fine and it handles well, buuuuuut when we get a bit of rain and the roads form ice tracks the car's handling feels like I'm trying to squeeze a wet bar of soap between my palms..and that's with studded tyres on. Really missing 4WD on ice. That said, my work Isuzu lost it on the ice the other day and I almost went off.
When I was working up in Svalbard I used a Kia Sportage 4WD and never had a minute's trouble with it. I don't like the new shape though.
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Golf GTD:
Golf GTD Variant:
Golf GTD Variant:
Idiosyncratic
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Will the GTD (the regular one) come in a four door model or will you have to take the extended variant?Golf GTD:
Golf GTD Variant:
FiestaST
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Wait, so you'll get a 5 door in dynamite size also - you don't have to take the bigger wagon?
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Idiosyncratic
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Sweet!
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Downsizing trend is over, says Volkswagen boss…
Volkswagen chairman Herbert Diess believes that the trend of downsizing engines is well and truly over.
The VW brand boss made the comments at the launch of the facelifted Golf in Europe.
“The trend of downsizing is over,” Diess said, according to The Telegraph.
“Emissions tend to go up as engines get smaller,” he explained, making reference to the idea that downsized engines actually perform worse in real-world economy tests (often being set up to return impressive figures in laboratory tests).
The comments are particularly significant considering that Real Driving Emissions (RDE) tests are set to be introduced in Europe for new types of cars from September 2017 and for all registrations from September 2019.
Diess added that the Wolfsburg automaker would continue using 1,0-litre, three-cylinder petrol engines in its small vehicles. But larger cars, such as the refreshed Golf, would stick with larger powerplants. Indeed, the 1,4-litre turbocharged petrol engine in the outgoing Golf range has been replaced by a new 1,5-litre version in the facelifted line-up.
Diess also revealed that the VW brand would likely not develop diesel engines smaller than the current 1,6 litres.
“Small diesels are just not economic,” he said, adding that the popularity of oil-burners in some markets “has not been a customer choice, but [rather] a result of favourable tax regimes. Once you have a price advantage, people will play along”.
The comments from Diess come after a Reuters report in October suggested that a shift to engine “upsizing” was just around the corner, thanks to the upcoming change in emissions testing.
http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/downsizing-trend-is-over-says-volkswagen-boss/
Volkswagen chairman Herbert Diess believes that the trend of downsizing engines is well and truly over.
The VW brand boss made the comments at the launch of the facelifted Golf in Europe.
“The trend of downsizing is over,” Diess said, according to The Telegraph.
“Emissions tend to go up as engines get smaller,” he explained, making reference to the idea that downsized engines actually perform worse in real-world economy tests (often being set up to return impressive figures in laboratory tests).
The comments are particularly significant considering that Real Driving Emissions (RDE) tests are set to be introduced in Europe for new types of cars from September 2017 and for all registrations from September 2019.
Diess added that the Wolfsburg automaker would continue using 1,0-litre, three-cylinder petrol engines in its small vehicles. But larger cars, such as the refreshed Golf, would stick with larger powerplants. Indeed, the 1,4-litre turbocharged petrol engine in the outgoing Golf range has been replaced by a new 1,5-litre version in the facelifted line-up.
Diess also revealed that the VW brand would likely not develop diesel engines smaller than the current 1,6 litres.
“Small diesels are just not economic,” he said, adding that the popularity of oil-burners in some markets “has not been a customer choice, but [rather] a result of favourable tax regimes. Once you have a price advantage, people will play along”.
The comments from Diess come after a Reuters report in October suggested that a shift to engine “upsizing” was just around the corner, thanks to the upcoming change in emissions testing.
http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/downsizing-trend-is-over-says-volkswagen-boss/
FiestaST
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VW has killed off its new 1,5-litre diesel engine…
Volkswagen has reportedly abandoned the development of a new 1,5-litre turbodiesel engine due to high engineering costs and increasingly stringent emissions regulations.
According to Autocar, the new oil-burner was set to be introduced with the launch of the sixth-generation Polo next year. We would also have expected it to sit alongside the fresh 1,5-litre petrol mill in the recently facelifted Golf range.
Frank Welsch, head of technical development at the Wolfsburg-based brand, told the British publication that a decrease in demand for diesel mills in small hatchbacks in Europe had also contributed to the decision.
Welsch explained that there were high costs involved with developing an exhaust “after-treatment” system for the next engine.
“The added cost is anything from six to eight hundred euros in material costs just for the after-treatment system. The after-treatment system is as expensive as the engine itself. To add a diesel in the Polo, it is 25% of the car itself,” Welsch told Autocar.
The VW executive added that the current 1,6-litre four-cylinder turbodiesel would still be offered for a few more years. However, he confirmed that the automaker’s long-term plan was to replace small diesels with mild-hybrid petrols.
“In a time not so far away, people will go for petrol engines in combination with a mild hybrid. A mild hybrid, in the end, is cheaper and has the same CO2 [as a small diesel] with a lot less NOx.”
Welsch went on to emphasise that Volkswagen would continue to work on its familiar 2,0-litre turbodiesel engine.
“The 2.0-litre will definitely have a great future. In one or one-and-a-half years we will have the next-generation,” he said, adding that “it will be really great in terms of CO2”.
This echoes a recent statement from Volkswagen chairman Herbert Diess that “the trend of downsizing is over”.
http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/vw-has-killed-off-its-new-15-litre-diesel-engine/
Volkswagen has reportedly abandoned the development of a new 1,5-litre turbodiesel engine due to high engineering costs and increasingly stringent emissions regulations.
According to Autocar, the new oil-burner was set to be introduced with the launch of the sixth-generation Polo next year. We would also have expected it to sit alongside the fresh 1,5-litre petrol mill in the recently facelifted Golf range.
Frank Welsch, head of technical development at the Wolfsburg-based brand, told the British publication that a decrease in demand for diesel mills in small hatchbacks in Europe had also contributed to the decision.
Welsch explained that there were high costs involved with developing an exhaust “after-treatment” system for the next engine.
“The added cost is anything from six to eight hundred euros in material costs just for the after-treatment system. The after-treatment system is as expensive as the engine itself. To add a diesel in the Polo, it is 25% of the car itself,” Welsch told Autocar.
The VW executive added that the current 1,6-litre four-cylinder turbodiesel would still be offered for a few more years. However, he confirmed that the automaker’s long-term plan was to replace small diesels with mild-hybrid petrols.
“In a time not so far away, people will go for petrol engines in combination with a mild hybrid. A mild hybrid, in the end, is cheaper and has the same CO2 [as a small diesel] with a lot less NOx.”
Welsch went on to emphasise that Volkswagen would continue to work on its familiar 2,0-litre turbodiesel engine.
“The 2.0-litre will definitely have a great future. In one or one-and-a-half years we will have the next-generation,” he said, adding that “it will be really great in terms of CO2”.
This echoes a recent statement from Volkswagen chairman Herbert Diess that “the trend of downsizing is over”.
http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/vw-has-killed-off-its-new-15-litre-diesel-engine/
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Nooooooo! You can't cut diesels...not before I buy one
FiestaST
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Will we get the GTE variant? Anything over the i3 please!!! 
FiestaST
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Will we get the GTE variant? Anything over the i3 please!!!
Afaik not in the pipeline just as yet.
GTD seems much more plausible for SA.