The Nicholas Ninow Rape Case and Trial

[konfab]

The state didn't even verify with the victims after he plead guilty if they wanted to have a trial. They just said let's do this. It should be up to the VICTIMS not the PUBLIC if they want to be dragged through a trial if he already plead guilty and his sentence will be the same.

If the victims didn't want to have a trial, then they shouldn't have laid a charge with the police. It isn't up to the victims( or their lawyers )to determine how a criminal trial should proceed.

 

[Splinter]

Pleading guilty is not a mitigating circumstance.

Actually, it is. I have seen verdicts where a judge takes into account a guilty plea, or conversely, refuses to accept guilt and showed no remorse.

 

[doubletrouble]

No black twitter is saying it's mitigating circumstances. It's up to him to prove any mitigating circumstances or his lawyer to bring in witnesses to claim that drugs caused him to rape. He is not doing that. They are not calling any witnesses. He just plead guilty. His sentence will be the same if he plead innocent.

Pleading guilty is not a mitigating circumstance. That is a rumour started on social media.
If the evidence is overwhelming as was this case then it is irrelevant to the sentencing if he plead guilty or not.

pleading guilty is. taking responsibility for your crime and taking the court into confidence is a mitigating circumstance.

There will still be aggravating and mitigating circumstances presented before sentencing. And then I will revisit this thread once uses the guilty plea as a mitigating circumstance.

sidenote... stop being so obsessed with race and stop your victim mentality. you are no better than black twitter.

 

[skimread]

If the victims didn't want to have a trial, then they shouldn't have laid a charge with the police. It isn't up to the victims( or their lawyers )to determine how a criminal trial should proceed.

There is no need for a trial or to decide how it proceeds if he has plead guilty. If they are not satisifed with what he said then they must be specific and give him opportunity to in front of camera and writing provide details. You can't act as if he plead not guilty and go through irrelvant processes like the waitress IDing him. he plead guilty!

 

[skimread]

Actually, it is. I have seen verdicts where a judge takes into account a guilty plea, or conversely, refuses to accept guilt and showed no remorse.

yes there have been cases it has been as it means the person takes responsibility for their crimes and doesn't play dice of getting off on a technicality. However it is NOT always the case like social media is pushing with this case. The evidence is overwhelming in his case. He pleads guilty because he can't worm his way out of it.

 

[Splinter]

yes there have been cases it has been as it means the person takes responsibility for their crimes and doesn't play dice of getting off on a technicality. However it is NOT always the case like social media is pushing with this case. The evidence is overwhelming in his case. He pleads guilty because he can't worm his way out of it.

WTF has social media got to do with this? You are the one harping on about it, not the judge or the prosecution.

You have made a number of incorrect statements here so far. Continuing to stomp your feet and shout is not going to change facts.

 

[Matt91]

Was this the one with that video that went viral of the mom that bust him and he was denying everything, I think the little girl was wearing a pink jacket or something?

 

[skimread]

sidenote... stop being so obsessed with race and stop your victim mentality. you are no better than black twitter.

You have no idea the greater motivations behind the case Malema often calls whites rapists in his speeches.

After this case the EFF started calling members of the DA rapists and Nicolas Ninow in pariliament.

Malema and Steenhuisen leave National Assembly, refuse to withdraw remarks

Both DA chief whip John Steenhuisen and EFF leader Julius Malema have refused to withdraw remarks they made to each other during this week's violent sitting in the National Assembly.

www.news24.com

Malema, who called Steenhuisen a "racist young white man who was accused of rape".

Nicholas Ninow – Black First Land First (BLF)

blf.org.za

BLF recognizes that this is not an isolated event, that the assault on the 6 year-old black child by the racist peadophile Nicholas Ninow, who allegedly confessed to have done it before, is not an enigma. He is a true reflection of all white males. A species that is dangerous, enabled and racist. His actions and those of other white men are sanctioned by racist organisations like Afriforum and also by the complicit ANC government that has let settlers get away with crimes against humanity.

just imagine one poor innocent person is hurt because of these statements.

WTF has social media got to do with this? You are the one harping on about it, not the judge or the prosecution.

There are so many posts on social media claiming white privilege in this case it is absurd.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

You are defending him. For some reason you want him spared the disgust of public glare. He deserves everything coming to him.

What's waiting for him in prison is much, much worse than public glare. For a crime such as this, there will be no sympathy from warders or inmates.

 

[supersunbird]

You have no idea the greater motivations behind the case Malema often calls whites rapists in his speeches.

After this case the EFF started calling members of the DA rapists and Nicolas Ninow in pariliament.

Malema and Steenhuisen leave National Assembly, refuse to withdraw remarks

Both DA chief whip John Steenhuisen and EFF leader Julius Malema have refused to withdraw remarks they made to each other during this week's violent sitting in the National Assembly.

www.news24.com

Nicholas Ninow – Black First Land First (BLF)

blf.org.za

just imagine one poor innocent person is hurt because of these statements.


There are so many posts on social media claiming white privilege in this case it is absurd.
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Someone tell them about that black train arsonist please...

 

[thestaggy]

There are so many posts on social media claiming white privilege in this case it is absurd.
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The problem is idiots like this don't understand the way things work.

Ninow's lawyer mentioned drugs and mental illness in the early hearings. Based on this, the prosecution asked that he be sent for evaluation to take away the possibility of him using any sort of defence that implies that he is unfit to stand trial or cannot be held accountable for his actions which would lead to a lesser sentence.

They're too eager to be racist so they can't even begin to comprehend that the prosecution is trying to ensure that they can get the maximum sentence by taking away one of his best possible defences.

 

[skimread]

The problem is idiots like this don't understand the way things work.

Ninow's lawyer mentioned drugs and mental illness in the early hearings. Based on this, the prosecution asked that he be sent for evaluation to take away the possibility of him using any sort of defence that implies that he is unfit to stand trial or cannot be held accountable for his actions which would lead to a lesser sentence.

They're too eager to be racist so they can't even begin to comprehend that the prosecution is trying to ensure that they can get the maximum sentence by taking away one of his best possible defences.

When political parties start making statements and generalizing whites are all like that then you tread on very dangerous ground.

In his guilty plea:
he detailed her rape in detail and also saying he raped her twice
he said he knew what he was doing was wrong but still did it
he said he tried destroying evidence.

Because in his guilty plea he said he was aware what he was doing was wrong and in doing so he eliminated any defense including the drunk and drugs defense as substances would make you not think of that. It's a pretty open and shut verdict with no mitigating circumstances because his guilty plea was so detailed and included his state of mind.

 

[daveza]

Came to ask why we are having a trial when he plead guilty...... still don't know.

 

[rietrot]

Came to ask why we are having a trial when he plead guilty...... still don't know.

Because media circus and some state prosecutor wants their 15min of fame.

 

[rambo919]

The sheer blank idiocy of "black twitter" is something to behold..... how many of the black rapists of babies "because it cures aids" got individually picked apart for the kind of focus/publicity this lone drug addled fool does?

 

[schumi]

'Dros rapist' Nicholas Ninow wanted table close to children, says witness

Nicholas Ninow changed tables at the Dros restaurant where he raped a seven-year-old child so that he could be closer to the children's area.
This was part of the testimony of an employee at the Silverton, Pretoria, restaurant on Monday. The employee asked not to be named.
Ninow is accused of raping a seven-year-old girl at the restaurant in September 2018.
Earlier on Monday, Ninow pleaded guilty to rape, possession of drugs and defeating the ends of justice in the Pretoria high court. He pleaded not guilty to an assault charge.

More at:

'Dros rapist' Nicholas Ninow wanted table close to children, says witness

Nicholas Ninow changed tables at the Dros restaurant where he raped a seven-year-old child so that he could be closer to the kiddies' corner.

www.timeslive.co.za

 

[Swa]

I think it's been pointed out that the state might disagree with his claimed spontaneity of the events that led up to the rape.

Thus they are fully entitled to continue with the trial.

It's not the first time this has happened.

In that case have witnesses that can attest to that. Not every witness that will simply confirm his guilt again.

The problem isn't the law. Child rape is a life sentence.

The problem is the parole board, which simply doesn't do its job in determining who is a threat to society and who isn't.

They parole 35 year old rapists after 9 years.

https://www.heraldlive.co.za/news/2019-06-17-rapist-out-on-parole-rearrested-for-rape-and-burglary/

But go into colossal amounts of efforts to keep 70 year old political murderers with cancer in prison.

The problem is that life is not a life sentence in our country but rather 25 years. The problem is the law.

Incorrect sir. It's up to the prosecution to decide.

If the victims didn't want to have a trial, then they shouldn't have laid a charge with the police. It isn't up to the victims( or their lawyers )to determine how a criminal trial should proceed.

Yet it will routinely be taken into account especially with a guilty plea. Victims will regularly be consulted on whether or not a plea bargain is acceptable.

 

[konfab]

The problem is that life is not a life sentence in our country but rather 25 years. The problem is the law.

No, the life sentence is a life sentence, meaning it is indeterminate. The 25 years refers to the minimum sentence before parole can be taken. The issue is the parole board are not doing their jobs.

 

[Swa]

No, the life sentence is a life sentence, meaning it is indeterminate. The 25 years refers to the minimum sentence before parole can be taken. The issue is the parole board are not doing their jobs.

If it's indeterminate then by definition it's not life. The problem here is not the parole board which is expected to grant parole because of our overfull prisons but the law which allows parole. Unlike in other countries where life actually means life.

 

[R13...]

If it's indeterminate then by definition it's not life. The problem here is not the parole board which is expected to grant parole because of our overfull prisons but the law which allows parole. Unlike in other countries where life actually means life.

Only a few countries have life without the possibility of parole. Most set life as number of years served.