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[The Voice]

2 cores, 2 threads...it's going to struggle like a Beetle going up a hill in modern games.

Should be "ok" for DX9 era stuff.

Single-threaded performance is still great for FPS titles like CS:GO, as well as MOBAs.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Single-threaded performance is still great for FPS titles like CS:GO, as well as MOBAs.

I think it is a wee bit overhyped by the tech media. For basic processing, it is all good, but the Core i3-12100F would better suit the budget gamer, Gamers Nexus also now released their i5-12400 review,

which brings me to competitive plays, I don't believe the Celeron will be consistent in maintaining an optimal competitive gaming experience. Lastly, price, the Core i3-12100F will give you so much more value.

 

[Neoprod]

Single-threaded performance is still great for FPS titles like CS:GO, as well as MOBAs.

True but 2 fast cores without SMT don't cut it anymore unless you're willing to put up with inconsistent frame times even in dx9 games like League and CSGO. That's gonna hurt in competitive games like those.

League recommends a quad core since some updates last year. CSGO will bring that Celeron to it's knees when looking at 1% and 0.1% lows.

 

[Soul Assassin]

I completely forgot undervolting was a thing, woke up on Friday and decided I should undervolt my 1660Ti because this summer is so hot the poor thing was going into the mid 70s playing something like Hunt Showdown.

The default I think was 1.05mV for 2010MHz core clock and I now have it stable at 925mV for 2010MHz.

This pretty much lowered my temps while playing Hunt by 10 degrees, maxing out at 66°C. Playing Apex was even better at only 62°C and when moving between POIs when it wasn't a big open area I saw it drop to 58°C which I was really impressed with.

 

[airborne]

I completely forgot undervolting was a thing, woke up on Friday and decided I should undervolt my 1660Ti because this summer is so hot the poor thing was going into the mid 70s playing something like Hunt Showdown.

The default I think was 1.05mV for 2010MHz core clock and I now have it stable at 925mV for 2010MHz.

This pretty much lowered my temps while playing Hunt by 10 degrees, maxing out at 66°C. Playing Apex was even better at only 62°C and when moving between POIs when it wasn't a big open area I saw it drop to 58°C which I was really impressed with.

Doesn't undervolting also affect performance because it reduces clock speed?
That being said for your needs the clock speed may still be plenty sufficient so it's a win.

 

[Soul Assassin]

Doesn't undervolting also affect performance because it reduces clock speed?
That being said for your needs the clock speed may still be plenty sufficient so it's a win.

Same exact clock speed, 2010MHz before and after.

 

[airborne]

Same exact clock speed, 2010MHz before and after.

And the boost speeds?
On my AMD CPU under-volting definitely affects the clock speeds, especially boost

 

[Soul Assassin]

And the boost speeds?
On my AMD CPU under-volting definitely affects the clock speeds, especially boost

That is the boost speed, I think it's 1350MHz when idle and then when gaming it maintains 2010MHz.

 

[Neoprod]

Doesn't undervolting also affect performance because it reduces clock speed?
That being said for your needs the clock speed may still be plenty sufficient so it's a win.

The goal is to find the min (or slightly higher than min) voltage that allows the boost to operate normally.

The process works because the cards aren't individually tuned at the factory...they use an average safe voltage because the OEM doesn't have the time / money to find the most efficient voltage-frequency curve for all the cards they pump out.

You can probably get 3-5% higher performance if you overclock at the same time.

 

[Neoprod]

I should add, that's synthetic performance (Timespy and the like). I have my 3060 Ti set at +90 core, +600 memory because it can do it without more power but it doesn't make a noticeable impact in games. I was used to seeing over 2.1Ghz on my 1070 - 1950Mhz on the replacement looked sad.

 

[airborne]

The goal is to find the min (or slightly higher than min) voltage that allows the boost to operate normally.

The process works because the cards aren't individually tuned at the factory...they use an average safe voltage because the OEM doesn't have the time / money to find the most efficient voltage-frequency curve for all the cards they pump out.

You can probably get 3-5% higher performance if you overclock at the same time.

But isn't there a direct correlation between voltage and frequency, you can push the core either way but it will have an affect.

 

[Neoprod]

But isn't there a direct correlation between voltage and frequency, you can push the core either way but it will have an affect.

Yes, there is but the relationship or curve it comes with out of the box isn't optimal. A card is usually able to run the same frequency at "some" voltage less than what the manufacturer programmed.

How much that "some" is depends - might be a few millivolts, might be 100 if you're lucky.

 

[airborne]

Yes, there is but the relationship or curve it comes with out of the box isn't optimal. A card is usually able to run the same frequency at "some" voltage less than what the manufacturer programmed.

How much that "some" is depends - might be a few millivolts, might be 100 if you're lucky.

Ok so depending on the card or cpu you may be able to undervolt by a fair amount with zero affect on the clock speeds or if unlucky even a tiny undervolt will start having a negative affect in speeds?

 

[Neoprod]

Ok so depending on the card or cpu you may be able to undervolt by a fair amount with zero affect on the clock speeds or if unlucky even a tiny undervolt will start having a negative affect in speeds?

I've not seen the clock speeds slow...I did manage to crash the display driver many times though.

If you have MSI Afterburner installed, hit CTRL+F and it will show you a graph that might make things clearer. The points on that graph are what you would be playing with by shifting them left a bit.

 

[ponder]

Ok so depending on the card or cpu you may be able to undervolt by a fair amount with zero affect on the clock speeds or if unlucky even a tiny undervolt will start having a negative affect in speeds?

Yes.

 

[Fulcrum29]

 

[Neoprod]

That's a $75 dollar CPU overclocked on a $700 motherboard

Whether Intel allows Celeron and non-K chips to be overclocked on B-series (H-series?) boards is a different question. Who'd buy a 12600K + Z690 if a 12400 + B660 was close enough? Intel loses money on both the cpu and chipset in that situation.

Maybe they have the appetite just to damage the competition? Worth keeping an eye on if someone's in the market though.

 

[Neoprod]

It's working on B660...for now.

Would have liked to see how far that BCLK could go but I didn't see him disable spread spectrum so maybe that's not available or it's coming in a later video when he sees how far it can go.

 

[Fulcrum29]

This is interesting,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1484457843810082816

Syntech being a distributor and all. Though I know about other developments, this one is being teased.

 

[Gtx Gaming]

Gamer nexus taking apart some garbage