The PC Build Thread

[Archer]

Heat soak of the CPU and GPU coolers.

Tell you what, why don't you go do the experiments and see for yourself. If it was as simple as a single intake, that's how cases would be designed.

So, go test it, then come back and we can review your findings.

I didn't say a single intake. I said a single fan could replace all the air in a case within a matter of seconds.

As for design, look at the vast majority of cases, way more forced intake vs forced exhaust. And some have no forced exhaust, but none have zero forced intake.

Anyway, I've been doing my own digging and have a revised opinion based on various tests I've seen (for a typical case layout)
If you want the absolute best temperatures go mostly exhaust (1-2°C drop in temps)
If you want reduced cleaning, go mostly intake (assuming intakes are filtered).
Real world difference to us plebs is negligible

 

[airborne]

The OEM versions of Windows have been available to the general public for many, many years and have worked without problems. The main difference between OEM and Retail is that the OEM license does not allow moving the OS to a different computer, once it is installed.

Ok well done, you understand the difference in theory between Retail and OEM, one gold star for you.

What have they got to do with the R100 Msdn/enterprise licenses that are now being sold everywhere and are the reason for this discussion?

 

[Dan C]

Ok well done, you understand the difference in theory between Retail and OEM, one gold star for you.

What have they got to do with the R100 Msdn/enterprise licenses that are now being sold everywhere and are the reason for this discussion?

Simple. The OEM keys work, The others are probably fake like you mentioned.

 

[Neoprod]

 

[ponder]

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That might be to discourage bulk buying, some times they'll have hard rule of 1 per customer only. Or somebody screwed up.

 

[j4ck455]

That might be to discourage bulk buying, some times they'll have hard rule of 1 per customer only. Or somebody screwed up.

Does seem like an anti-scalping measure.

 

[airborne]

Simple. The OEM keys work, The others are probably fake like you mentioned.

It's confirmed, you don't know what the fk you are talking about. Microsoft Msdn/Enterprise keys are not fake, that's not the issue with them.

But let's move on because in true Mybb fashion we are derailing this thread needlessly.

 

[Dan C]

It's confirmed, you don't know what the fk you are talking about. Microsoft Msdn/Enterprise keys are not fake, that's not the issue with them.

But let's move on because in true Mybb fashion we are derailing this thread needlessly.

So kind of you. Have a lovely day.

 

[airborne]

So kind of you. Have a lovely day.

My pleasure, have a lovely day yourself.

 

[Neoprod]

That might be to discourage bulk buying, some times they'll have hard rule of 1 per customer only. Or somebody screwed up.

Yeah, still funny to see. The reddit thread says it's not a real price.

 

[Lupus]

I didn't say a single intake. I said a single fan could replace all the air in a case within a matter of seconds.

As for design, look at the vast majority of cases, way more forced intake vs forced exhaust. And some have no forced exhaust, but none have zero forced intake.

Anyway, I've been doing my own digging and have a revised opinion based on various tests I've seen (for a typical case layout)
If you want the absolute best temperatures go mostly exhaust (1-2°C drop in temps)
If you want reduced cleaning, go mostly intake (assuming intakes are filtered).
Real world difference to us plebs is negligible

Go to 11:49
No case fans cpu 71 degrees, GPU 92 degrees.
What people generally go for 2 front fans, 1 rear and 2 top cpu 55 degrees, GPU 76 degrees.
That's a 16 degree difference which will make a massive difference on performance.

 

[Archer]

Go to 11:49
No case fans cpu 71 degrees, GPU 92 degrees.
What people generally go for 2 front fans, 1 rear and 2 top cpu 55 degrees, GPU 76 degrees.
That's a 16 degree difference which will make a massive difference on performance.

I've already changed my opinion, but have no idea what the relevance is of mentioning the temperature difference to a test with no fans.

And don't look at a Fractal Torrent, it's all intakes and has some of the best temps in any review. My evolving theory is that intake or exhaust barely matters compared to actual placement, ie how the airflow is made is less important than where that airflow is. Pretty much the early 2000's PC cases with those massive fans on the side

 

[Lupus]

I've already changed my opinion, but have no idea what the relevance is of mentioning the temperature difference to a test with no fans.

And don't look at a Fractal Torrent, it's all intakes and has some of the best temps in any review. My evolving theory is that intake or exhaust barely matters compared to actual placement, ie how the airflow is made is less important than where that airflow is. Pretty much the early 2000's PC cases with those massive fans on the side

They do tests with the fans in different areas, the best one for that scenario was the 2 in the front and 1 rear with 2 top.
Having one fan sure did do better then no fans but it wasn't a 16 degree difference, front fan only made 4 degrees difference on the CPU and 12 on the GPU. Rear exhaust made a 7 degree difference on the CPU but only 7 degrees on the GPU.
One top exhaust was between those 2. So yeah fan placement makes a big difference to all components.
So have one fan but make sure you need to decide which gets the more love.

 

[Neoprod]

They do tests with the fans in different areas, the best one for that scenario was the 2 in the front and 1 rear with 2 top.
Having one fan sure did do better then no fans but it wasn't a 16 degree difference, front fan only made 4 degrees difference on the CPU and 12 on the GPU. Rear exhaust made a 7 degree difference on the CPU but only 7 degrees on the GPU.
One top exhaust was between those 2. So yeah fan placement makes a big difference to all components.
So have one fan but make sure you need to decide which gets the more love.

You could have taken pics instead of writing another blog entry

 

[Lupus]

You could have taken pics instead of writing another blog entry

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On my phone a little trickier

 

[Neoprod]

And don't look at a Fractal Torrent, it's all intakes and has some of the best temps in any review. My evolving theory is that intake or exhaust barely matters compared to actual placement, ie how the airflow is made is less important than where that airflow is. Pretty much the early 2000's PC cases with those massive fans on the side

I like the Torrent - it's more interesting-looking than most cases but technically-speaking, the top-mounted PSU pulls air out of the main chamber and exhausts it out the back. Nobody seems to mention that when they review it and it actually bugs me

Still a pretty neat design.

 

[Neoprod]

On my phone a little trickier

 

[The Voice]

Go to 11:49
No case fans cpu 71 degrees, GPU 92 degrees.
What people generally go for 2 front fans, 1 rear and 2 top cpu 55 degrees, GPU 76 degrees.
That's a 16 degree difference which will make a massive difference on performance.

Equally (more?) important to the number of fans you have is the actual case you’ve got them in. Your case may look awesome, but if there isn’t enough ventilation (looking at you, NZXT) your fans are just going to be swirling hot air around, suffocating all your components over time.

 

[The Voice]

No amount of fans make a difference when your ambient room temperature is 43 Celsius.

Crack open a window, damnit.

 

[Neoprod]

^, just Upington things.