The PC Build Thread

[airborne]

I just learned that Apple brings in more revenue selling AirPods than nVidia does selling everything nVidia and that blows my mind.

Maybe the Nvidia Gfrx card division but not the entire company, it’s enormous?

 

[deesef]

I just learned that Apple brings in more revenue selling AirPods than nVidia does selling everything nVidia and that blows my mind.

Looking at Apple's pricing, I'm not surprised...

 

[Lupus]

I just learned that Apple brings in more revenue selling AirPods than nVidia does selling everything nVidia and that blows my mind.

You tend to keep a GFX card a few years, airpods you lose one, you gotta buy a whole new set.

 

[Nod]

Not sure if mentioned before, but Wootware now have a "PC Builder" feature on their website: https://www.wootware.co.za/w/builder/
It allows you to pick PC parts that actually works together.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

You tend to keep a GFX card a few years, airpods you lose one, you gotta buy a whole new set.

The market for airpods is also a lot larger than that for GPUs. You have to be some kind of geek to spend R10k on a GPU. Hell, you are either a geek or poor if you choose a desktop over a laptop these days.
And even among geeks people will spend R25K on a phone and accessories every 2 - 3 years, but don't want to spend R15K on a GPU, or even R25K on a laptop.

 

[Faux_Grey]

Really? Thought the AF would be worth more, cool will re-sell.

1600AF & 2600 are essentially the same CPU - there's a slight difference in clocks though.
2600 has a 200mhz base clock advantage, but is easily overcome with a touch of ryzen master on the 1600AF

 

[Barbarian Conan]

I think I am finally ready to talk about. The story of a Scythe Fuma 2, a Ryzen 3700X and a Ryzen 5600.

I had been thinking about a better CPU cooler for a long time. The stock Wraith spire wasn't that loud, but it could get a bit annoying ramping up and down. My 3700X was also only boosting to ~3800Mhz when running cinebench and other multi threaded apps and I thought it could do better with cooling.

I get my cooler and run my "before" tests, shut down my PC and get to work removing the heatsink. I've built a PC or two in my life, and I have replaced coolers so I'm not concerned. I wiggle it a bit, but it seems stuck, and I just lift it.
****. The CPU is stuck to the heatsink. I of course can't put it back in because the lever is down, and if I pull it up the heatsink is in the way.

I google for some advice and start heating it up with a hairdryer. Maybe too much, as it is now too hot to hold. I wait a while and try to wiggle it, no luck. Try as I might, I can't rotate the CPU with my hands. Nothing that I read online works and the levels of violence I use escalates over the course of an hour or two.
"Rotate a flat head screwdriver to lift the CPU from the heatsink". Nope, I can see the PCB separating from the IHS and stop.
The thing is stuck.
Last resort involved a hammer.

I verify all the pins are straight, install the CPU with the new cooler, and computer says no.

So, compared to my 3700X, my 5600 boosts to ~4150Mhz and is surprisingly close in Cinebench R23 considering it has 25% fewer cores. ~10100 vs ~10700. 86C vs 68C ( ambient was different though). I didn't do single threaded tests, but the 5600 should be noticeably faster.
The Fuma 2 Rev B is also QUIET. Walking into my study I don't hear a thing. I have to check the RGB on the RAM and GPU to tell if my PC is on at all.

So... what did I learn through this ordeal?
1. Intel has safer CPU + Socket designs. That thing is held in place properly


2. On AMD, you never want to just pull on the heatsink if it can't wiggle. Wiggle it until it comes loose. If it doesn't want to come loose with what you think is too much force, just leave it. It is married to that motherboard now.

3. Use less thermal paste. I hope the next time I can get it loose with less effort.

4. Thermal paste quality? The stuck paste was Phanteks. I now used the tube I got with the Scythe, although they look similar.

 

[Faux_Grey]

I think I am finally ready to talk about. The story of a Scythe Fuma 2, a Ryzen 3700X and a Ryzen 5600.

I had been thinking about a better CPU cooler for a long time. The stock Wraith spire wasn't that loud, but it could get a bit annoying ramping up and down. My 3700X was also only boosting to ~3800Mhz when running cinebench and other multi threaded apps and I thought it could do better with cooling.

I get my cooler and run my "before" tests, shut down my PC and get to work removing the heatsink. I've built a PC or two in my life, and I have replaced coolers so I'm not concerned. I wiggle it a bit, but it seems stuck, and I just lift it.
****. The CPU is stuck to the heatsink. I of course can't put it back in because the lever is down, and if I pull it up the heatsink is in the way.

I google for some advice and start heating it up with a hairdryer. Maybe too much, as it is now too hot to hold. I wait a while and try to wiggle it, no luck. Try as I might, I can't rotate the CPU with my hands. Nothing that I read online works and the levels of violence I use escalates over the course of an hour or two.
"Rotate a flat head screwdriver to lift the CPU from the heatsink". Nope, I can see the PCB separating from the IHS and stop.
The thing is stuck.
Last resort involved a hammer.

I verify all the pins are straight, install the CPU with the new cooler, and computer says no.

So, compared to my 3700X, my 5600 boosts to ~4150Mhz and is surprisingly close in Cinebench R23 considering it has 25% fewer cores. ~10100 vs ~10700. 86C vs 68C ( ambient was different though). I didn't do single threaded tests, but the 5600 should be noticeably faster.
The Fuma 2 Rev B is also QUIET. Walking into my study I don't hear a thing. I have to check the RGB on the RAM and GPU to tell if my PC is on at all.

So... what did I learn through this ordeal?
1. Intel has safer CPU + Socket designs. That thing is held in place properly
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2. On AMD, you never want to just pull on the heatsink if it can't wiggle. Wiggle it until it comes loose. If it doesn't want to come loose with what you think is too much force, just leave it. It is married to that motherboard now.

3. Use less thermal paste. I hope the next time I can get it loose with less effort.

4. Thermal paste quality? The stuck paste was Phanteks. I now used the tube I got with the Scythe, although they look similar.

Always bench the CPU to warm it up before removing.
Always TWIST the cooler on AM4 retention mechanism.

I'm curious to try the Fuma2 but I have a noctua C14 already.

I've inadvertently removed a CPU or two in the past like this, but never experienced the CPU being that stuck!

 

[UrBaN963]

Twist, but very gently. Those pins are easily bent. As stated above, warm it up first.

 

[Nike7]

Maybe the Nvidia Gfrx card division but not the entire company, it’s enormous?

Maybe I’m mistaken, but it appears to be the *entire* nVidia, $27 billion vs $38 billion for AirPods. Hard to believe, I know.

The market for airpods is also a lot larger than that for GPUs. You have to be some kind of geek to spend R10k on a GPU. Hell, you are either a geek or poor if you choose a desktop over a laptop these days.
And even among geeks people will spend R25K on a phone and accessories every 2 - 3 years, but don't want to spend R15K on a GPU, or even R25K on a laptop.

This post is the most potent dose of self awareness I’ve had all year.

I’m a geek and that’s why it’s incredible to me that not everyone would prioritise an RTX over stupid Bluetooth earphones. I’m a geek.

 

[Barbarian Conan]

Twist, but very gently. Those pins are easily bent. As stated above, warm it up first.

Yeah, it was about 10 min between shut down and removal of the heatsink, which I thought would be fine. Guess not.

 

[Rouxenator]

Really impressed with this little device I recently bought.

 

[airborne]

Maybe I’m mistaken, but it appears to be the *entire* nVidia, $27 billion vs $38 billion for AirPods. Hard to believe, I know.

This post is the most potent dose of self awareness I’ve had all year.

I’m a geek and that’s why it’s incredible to me that not everyone would prioritise an RTX over stupid Bluetooth earphones. I’m a geek.

Fk me that’s insane!

 

[airborne]

Really impressed with this little device I recently bought.

What’s the advantage of that, having raid redundancy so if one drive fails you can still rebuild the raid?

 

[Rouxenator]

What’s the advantage of that, having raid redundancy so if one drive fails you can still rebuild the raid?

So this little enclosure lets you do the following :

1) Run a drive as a USB drive
2) Run 2 drives as 2 USB drives in one housing
3) Run 2 drives as a single drive in JBOD mode
4) Run 2 drives as a single drive in RAID-0 mode (as I am doing)
5) Run 2 drives as a single drive with the capacity of the smallest in RAID-1 and if one fails you can replace it and the controller will rebuild the mirror

For me the insanely cool part is how much faster these drives perform when their queues are not flooded. I love it in RAID-0 and am pretty confident it will be fine. But if one fails I loose everything.

 

[Rouxenator]

Makes a noticeable difference, flipped the CPU fan so it sucks and blows into the PSU that is also sucking, which only 15mm this meant a drop from thermal throttling at 95 down to 86 under load.

 

[ghostRgg]

I cannot decide for the life of me between an Intel 12600k build and a Ryzen 5600x build. Both come to similar prices but both will be replaced by a whole new chipset and system later this year.

The timing on all of this.

 

[Soul Assassin]

I cannot decide for the life of me between an Intel 12600k build and a Ryzen 5600x build. Both come to similar prices but both will be replaced by a whole new chipset and system later this year.

The timing on all of this.

What makes you think the brand new socket Intel just released is being replaced after only a year?

 

[ponder]

I cannot decide for the life of me between an Intel 12600k build and a Ryzen 5600x build. Both come to similar prices but both will be replaced by a whole new chipset and system later this year.

The timing on all of this.

Upcoming Raptor Lake will still be LGA 1700.

Intel Technology Roadmaps and Milestones

At Investor Meeting 2022, Intel shared details on its product and process technology roadmaps and milestones that will drive growth across business segments.

www.intel.com

Raptor Lake will be socket-compatible with Alder Lake systems.

Intel Roadmap Confirms Meteor Lake, Arrow Lake, Lunar Lake CPUs

Estimated launch dates for all the lakes

www.tomshardware.com

 

[Barbarian Conan]

I cannot decide for the life of me between an Intel 12600k build and a Ryzen 5600x build. Both come to similar prices but both will be replaced by a whole new chipset and system later this year.

The timing on all of this.

Don't take the 5600X, the non-X is almost just as fast.