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i am looking to build a new pc, mainly for gaming / lightroom / video processing.

I am looking at purchasing the below. will put in my existing gtx1080 graphics card and WD hard drive. thoughts, ideas, suggestions?

https://www.wootware.co.za/intel-co...-lga1151-desktop-cpu-cooler-not-included.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/cooler-m...ified-fully-modular-desktop-power-supply.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/phanteks...ated-steel-atx-mid-tower-desktop-chassis.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-...-3200mhz-cl16-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/fractal-...4-bk-celsius-s24-240mm-liquid-cpu-cooler.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte...tel-z390-lga1151-atx-desktop-motherboard.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/mushkin-...e-m-2-2280-pcie-3-0-x4-solid-state-drive.html
 
Trace69 said:
No idea at this stage... we are just looking at how much it would cost to get a pc that would run Sims4 and their expansion packs nicely. Specifications on what is needed...
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Could replace the 2400g with a 2200g. But that'll run the Sims4 and some.
 

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RaptorSA said:
Blows my mind how little difference 7 subsequent generations and 8 years of intel chips made to gaming benchmarks:

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Well Intel had no reason to really innovate as they were the king.
 
RaptorSA said:
Blows my mind how little difference 7 subsequent generations and 8 years of intel chips made to gaming benchmarks:

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That's because the 2600 (K or not) was a peak chip, the only thing holding it back now is is RAM speed but because games are made primarily for consoles only a few suffer slightly. If you use it it for anything other than most games you start to see it's deficiencies but it's still an excellent chip. When the coming next generation of consoles with higher specs pick up steam though is when gaming on it will start to suffer.
 
I still maintain that we only think Ryzen is good value given the fact that everything is overpriced now. And even if some don't agree, I'm sure we can at least all agree that GPU pricing is a joke right now, a really bad one.

It still blows my mind that in 2011 I could build a specced out i5 2500K, Radeon 6870, 8GB DDR3, HHD's, 24" monitor etc. for R10,4K
This was a high-end machine at the time (roughly one or two tiers below the best consumer parts available)

Before that in 2001 I built a high end Athlon 1400 system, Geforce 2 Pro etc. including a damn expensive LG Flatron 17" at the time.
This was also a high-end system and it totaled R14K at the time.

Before that, in 1997 was my first actual PC build, R6K-R7K for a 133Mhz Pentium, 16MB Ram, HDD, printer, monitor etc.
This was a mid to high range PC at the time.

Now, in 2019, if I wanted a mid range build that doesn't even include a monitor or a case I'd have to fork out R16K. Mid to high is easily R20K.. and High en is now what, R25-R30K at least? Add a semi decent monitor (by 2019 standards) to those builds and you can easily add about R4-R6K.

I get that inflation is a thing (as is the k@k Rand) but PC tech has always been mostly inflation proof given the advances in manufacturing etc. I think we're all being taken for a ride these days, and I also think the PC industry is currently its own worst enemy given all the moaning about dropping PC sales, well no s**t. I would've built a new system by now if the pricing made more sense. R16K for a mid range system without a monitor? No thanks.
 
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RaptorSA said:
I still maintain that we only think Ryzen is good value given the fact that everything is overpriced now.

It still blows my mind that in 2011 I could build a specced out i5 2500K, Radeon 6870, 8GB DDR3, HHD's, 24" monitor etc. for R10,4K
This was a high-end machine at the time (roughly one or two tiers below the best consumer parts available)

Before that in 2001 I built a high end Athlon 1400 system, Geforce 2 Pro etc. including a damn expensive LG Flatron 17" at the time.
This was also a high-end system and it totaled R14K at the time.

Before that, in 1997 was my first actual PC build, R6K-R7K for a 133Mhz Pentium, 16MB Ram, HDD, printer, monitor etc.
This was a mid to high range PC at the time.

Now, in 2019, if I wanted a mid range build that doesn't even include a monitor or a case I'd have to fork out R15K.
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To a point you are correct however for the next 5+ years a current top of the line Ryzen machine will be fine for anyone for everything. Nothing stays king of the hill forever but few people actually need king of the hill PC's. Roughly every 5 years (closer to 7 in my case) everyone needs a mostly completely new PC just to keep up with midrange.

Most people don't NEED to buy a new CPU every 1.5 years.... most just WANT to.

On the other hand king of the hill PC's are generally only value for money if you have a LARGE salary. Value can be very subjective.
 
RaptorSA said:
I still maintain that we only think Ryzen is good value given the fact that everything is overpriced now. And even if some don't agree, I'm sure we can at least all agree that GPU pricing is a joke right now, a really bad one.

It still blows my mind that in 2011 I could build a specced out i5 2500K, Radeon 6870, 8GB DDR3, HHD's, 24" monitor etc. for R10,4K
This was a high-end machine at the time (roughly one or two tiers below the best consumer parts available)

Before that in 2001 I built a high end Athlon 1400 system, Geforce 2 Pro etc. including a damn expensive LG Flatron 17" at the time.
This was also a high-end system and it totaled R14K at the time.

Before that, in 1997 was my first actual PC build, R6K-R7K for a 133Mhz Pentium, 16MB Ram, HDD, printer, monitor etc.
This was a mid to high range PC at the time.

Now, in 2019, if I wanted a mid range build that doesn't even include a monitor or a case I'd have to fork out R16K. Mid to high is easily R20K.. and High en is now what, R25-R30K at least? Add a semi decent monitor (by 2019 standards) to those builds and you can easily add about R4-R6K.

I get that inflation is a thing (as is the k@k Rand) but PC tech has always been mostly inflation proof given the advances in manufacturing etc. I think we're all being taken for a ride these days, and I also think the PC industry is currently its own worst enemy given all the moaning about dropping PC sales, well no s**t. I would've built a new system by now if the pricing made more sense. R16K for a mid range system without a monitor? No thanks.
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I5 is not and has never been high end. It was and still is a mid tier cpu

The materials they are using now is of a higher quality hence pricing going up, along with inflation and rand/$.

PC gaming has always been an expensive hobby and will remain that way.
 
ponder said:
Not everything can be tested to be on the qvl, people have come to learn what works & what doesn't and will shop accordingly regardless of qvl.
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The problem there is those people tend to be able to shop and reshop untill they find something that fits.... I generally have to buy once and be stuck with what I buy.... R10k+ is a LOT of money for me.

The question is then if I buy a combo from wootware and it does not run stable at advertized speed on a x470 mobo (apparently they tested but results might vary between mobo's, also this RAM is advertized as being for z boards so the tests must have been on one of those and are as such not completely trustworthy for x boards) will they refund?
 
simonbee said:
i am looking to build a new pc, mainly for gaming / lightroom / video processing.

I am looking at purchasing the below. will put in my existing gtx1080 graphics card and WD hard drive. thoughts, ideas, suggestions?

https://www.wootware.co.za/intel-co...-lga1151-desktop-cpu-cooler-not-included.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/cooler-m...ified-fully-modular-desktop-power-supply.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/phanteks...ated-steel-atx-mid-tower-desktop-chassis.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-...-3200mhz-cl16-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/fractal-...4-bk-celsius-s24-240mm-liquid-cpu-cooler.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte...tel-z390-lga1151-atx-desktop-motherboard.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/mushkin-...e-m-2-2280-pcie-3-0-x4-solid-state-drive.html
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Why do you need that R4k MB, extreme overclocking?

https://www.wootware.co.za/gigabyte-z390-ud-intel-z390-lga1151-atx-desktop-motherboard.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/intel-co...-lga1151-desktop-cpu-cooler-not-included.html
https://www.wootware.co.za/super-fl...fully-modular-black-desktop-power-supply.html
 
RaptorSA said:
I still maintain that we only think Ryzen is good value given the fact that everything is overpriced now. And even if some don't agree, I'm sure we can at least all agree that GPU pricing is a joke right now, a really bad one.

It still blows my mind that in 2011 I could build a specced out i5 2500K, Radeon 6870, 8GB DDR3, HHD's, 24" monitor etc. for R10,4K
This was a high-end machine at the time (roughly one or two tiers below the best consumer parts available)

Before that in 2001 I built a high end Athlon 1400 system, Geforce 2 Pro etc. including a damn expensive LG Flatron 17" at the time.
This was also a high-end system and it totaled R14K at the time.

Before that, in 1997 was my first actual PC build, R6K-R7K for a 133Mhz Pentium, 16MB Ram, HDD, printer, monitor etc.
This was a mid to high range PC at the time.

Now, in 2019, if I wanted a mid range build that doesn't even include a monitor or a case I'd have to fork out R16K. Mid to high is easily R20K.. and High en is now what, R25-R30K at least? Add a semi decent monitor (by 2019 standards) to those builds and you can easily add about R4-R6K.

I get that inflation is a thing (as is the k@k Rand) but PC tech has always been mostly inflation proof given the advances in manufacturing etc. I think we're all being taken for a ride these days, and I also think the PC industry is currently its own worst enemy given all the moaning about dropping PC sales, well no s**t. I would've built a new system by now if the pricing made more sense. R16K for a mid range system without a monitor? No thanks.
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Considering that the i5-2500k was $480 dollars in 2011 and the exchange rate was 40% less then it is now. The HD 6870 was $250 in 2010 so it would've been a bit cheaper in 2011. I got the card in 2010 and I paid about R2200 for it brand new.
The biggest issue is our exchange rate, if it was R14 to R15 in 2011 you'd have paid 9k for that CPU and 5k for that GFX card. 24" monitors have also gone up a few R100 thanks to the governments tax, but even in the early part of this decade they were still about R1400.
Things that have stayed relatively the same are hard drives, RAM's had it's peaks and dips as well.
 
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