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Neoprod said:
Actual good news...with the launch of the 12100f, a budget gamer can get a new CPU, motherboard and 16Gb memory that's as fast as a 3700x for less than the price of that CPU (when it launched anyway - don't know if you can still get one new today).

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Looks like progress in the price to performance department - must be a hoax :p
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entry level h610 12th gen baord is 2k, and looks rubbish :(

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Only h610 baord in SA i think atm
 
Gtx Gaming said:
entry level h610 12th gen baord is 2k, and looks rubbish :(

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Only h610 baord in SA i think atm
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What's wrong with it? Bearing in mind the CPU is only going to draw 60W...there wouldn't be a need for VRM heatsinks and the like. The 2 DIMM slots are fine, you get to use the box cooler, maybe R800 on a 450W PSU and away you go.

It wouldn't be pretty to look at but it's going to perform as well as something that cost much more to build in the last couple years.
 
Neoprod said:
What's wrong with it? Bearing in mind the CPU is only going to draw 60W...there wouldn't be a need for VRM heatsinks and the like. The 2 DIMM slots are fine, you get to use the box cooler, maybe R800 on a 450W PSU and away you go.

It wouldn't be pretty to look at but it's going to perform as well as something that cost much more to build in the last couple years.
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Linus just did video with a board with no vrm cooling on 65watt chip, it throttled the cpu badly. VRMS was chilling at 110c!

That chip not really 65watt, TDP is basically just made number on intel chips it pulls much more than 65watt.
 
Gtx Gaming said:
Linus just did video with a board with no vrm cooling on 65watt chip, it throttled the cpu badly. VRMS was chilling at 110c!

That chip not really 65watt, TDP is basically just made number on intel chips it pulls much more than 65watt.
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Yup Intel and AMD give TDPS but they aren't really comparable.
 
Gtx Gaming said:
Linus just did video with a board with no vrm cooling on 65watt chip, it throttled the cpu badly. VRMS was chilling at 110c!

That chip not really 65watt, TDP is basically just made number on intel chips it pulls much more than 65watt.
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Gimme a link - I can't see which video to look at from the stuff on his channel in the last couple weeks.

Here's the stock cooler keeping the 12100f under 80C with the power limits removed -

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You can see the package power in there as well.
 
Neoprod said:
Gimme a link - I can't see which video to look at from the stuff on his channel in the last couple weeks.

Here's the stock cooler keeping the 12100f under 80C with the power limits removed -

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You can see the package power in there as well.
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The chip was amd through vrm's was hooking on it.

They had to add fans to cool the VRMS
 
Gtx Gaming said:

The chip was amd through vrm's was hooking on it.

They had to add fans to cool the VRMS
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That's an entirely passive cooling setup though. Box cooler has a downdraft fan which would cool the VRMs. Any typical installation with an active CPU cooler and a case fan or two would keep them cool enough.
 
Faux_Grey said:
DW=DawnWing

I've noticed a lot of inconsistencies with the 30 series cards and cooling
back when we (my friend circle) all had 3080 cards, we all had the same brand (Palit 3080 GamingPro OC)
Their cards all ran cool and quiet, max temps of low 70s~, low fan speeds and fans turned off in idle.
My card even with power limits easily hit 85 degrees, with the fans at 100% tilt, and fanstop never worked until I reflashed the bios on the card. (idle temps were good!)

We all traded up for 3080ti LHR cards, mine runs cool and quiet, but my friends card runs like a jet trying to take off, my fans will rarely leave the 30% idle speed while gaming.
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You want to check the thermal pads (but be careful as this voids the warranty), the qc on this generation of nvidia cards is very hit or miss for the high end and there is a fair number of users reporting to find thermal pads being misplaced from factory installation, resulting in poor cooling performance.
 
UrBaN963 said:
That's an entirely passive cooling setup though. Box cooler has a downdraft fan which would cool the VRMs. Any typical installation with an active CPU cooler and a case fan or two would keep them cool enough.
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Yup, going from stock cooler to AIO on my i7 2600K caused quite a bit of instability, until I added a fan to blow on the motherboard around the CPU.
 
Barbarian Conan said:
Yup, going from stock cooler to AIO on my i7 2600K caused quite a bit of instability, until I added a fan to blow on the motherboard around the CPU.
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Yea that's the one issue with AIOs, you have to have adequate cooling to cool the rest of the components. I have an X570A-Pro which apparently has the worst VRMs ever made in the history of anything and I haven't had a single issue, but I have 7 fans in my case which probably helps.
 
ponder said:
Dunno why they are so expensive, you can get a b660 for R100 more.
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Even better.

I see the price difference between a 12100f and 12400f is under 300 bucks so that's a better buy given the 2 extra cores. Additional cores on the red side are kak expensive by comparison.

Edit: Misread the website - it's exactly like 50% more for 50% more cores so that's much the same really.
 
Good enough I guess for the Kingston KC3000

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So, for all the experts on this thread, have had my PC for a while, looking to upgrade to a WQHD monitor but the thought of running games in non-native resolution annoys me. The problem is I fear that any Graphics upgrade would be hamstrung by my old CPU.

Stats are the following...

Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4 Ghz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
GIGABYTE Z77X-UD3H
16 GB Ram

Would I be wasting my time looking at a RTX-3060 with that CPU?
 
Mystic Twilight said:
You want to check the thermal pads (but be careful as this voids the warranty), the qc on this generation of nvidia cards is very hit or miss for the high end and there is a fair number of users reporting to find thermal pads being misplaced from factory installation, resulting in poor cooling performance.
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Even though I am happy with the new thermals and fan speeds, I have already ordered the correct size gelid thermal pads and will do a repaste at the same time.
 
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Cray said:
So, for all the experts on this thread, have had my PC for a while, looking to upgrade to a WQHD monitor but the thought of running games in non-native resolution annoys me. The problem is I fear that any Graphics upgrade would be hamstrung by my old CPU.

Stats are the following...

Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4 Ghz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
GIGABYTE Z77X-UD3H
16 GB Ram

Would I be wasting my time looking at a RTX-3060 with that CPU?
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The monitor and graphics card are a given so I'd get them and see really. No harm done if you decide to upgrade the cpu, motherboard and RAM later.

I suspect that rig has done its time - might be time to repurpose it. On the other hand, if it's not bugging you now at 1080p, it probably won't bug you at 1440p where the load is more gpu-based than cpu. If you're used to how it plays at 1080p, I doubt you'll find it suddenly sucks at the higher resolution.
 
Neoprod said:
The monitor and graphics card are a given so I'd get them and see really. No harm done if you decide to upgrade the cpu, motherboard and RAM later.

I suspect that rig has done its time - might be time to repurpose it. On the other hand, if it's not bugging you now at 1080p, it probably won't bug you at 1440p where the load is more gpu-based than cpu. If you're used to how it plays at 1080p, I doubt you'll find it suddenly sucks at the higher resolution.
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Thanks, I know that am going to have to bite the bullet on the CPU/Mobo at some stage but the investment of doing it all at once is a little daunting for the bank balance. I think pulling the trigger on monitor and GPU initially is the way to go, and then if things don't pan out I can always invest in the Mobo and CPU a little way down the road.

Thanks for the input, certainly helped to clarify my thought process.
 
So not a build per se, but need some help.
My dad just retired and needs to buy himself a laptop.

He was going to buy the cheapest Celeron which I've convinced him is a bad idea.
I've been out of the buying market for some time now, don't know what's good.

Don't have a budget, but I would imagine cheaper the better, is there anything better than this:

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I figure 8gb ram and SSD will future proof vs the other models with 5400rpm and 4gb ram.

This will be for light office work, excel/web browsing etc but I wouldn't wish the 5400rpm bottleneck on anyone.
 
Zuner said:
So not a build per se, but need some help.
My dad just retired and needs to buy himself a laptop.

He was going to buy the cheapest Celeron which I've convinced him is a bad idea.
I've been out of the buying market for some time now, don't know what's good.

Don't have a budget, but I would imagine cheaper the better, is there anything better than this:

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I figure 8gb ram and SSD will future proof vs the other models with 5400rpm and 4gb ram.

This will be for light office work, excel/web browsing etc but I wouldn't wish the 5400rpm bottleneck on anyone.
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Definitely the way to go if buying an entry level today. SSD + 8GB and Radeon graphics makes this a nice little powerhouse for the price range though, I would definitely not consider the HP 255 range of laptops. Absolutely terrible build quality and I can practically guarantee that the hinges are going to break in few years apart from other little cracks and breaks in the outer casing.

Have a look at the following Asus. Very similar specs but with a much sturdier frame and build quality.

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