The push for a digital-only financial system.

[lexity]

Observation over the last several years, but especially in the last 2 - 3 months, in SA.....

Retail customers paying with cash are increasingly being treated as 2nd-class citizens.

I have my own suspicions as to why this is happening.

Just this week a teacher in Ireland had their bank account frozen for declining to use gender pronouns (a case of compelled speech).

Note: It would be very different if the plan was to run a dual system perpetually, which made digital-payments purely opt-in. (The clue is the fact there is a plan to eliminate cash. Free markets deprive control-freaks of the ability to dictate prices and quality. The natural tendency in a free market would be lowest-sustainable prices for the preferred quality)

 

[HAL 9000]

 

[lexity]

One of the more reliable ways of gauging corporate policy are the sharp-enders.... the retail cashier and customer-assistance employee

Boy, is that a one-for-one telegraphing of corporate policy.

No filters.

I imagine in 1st world countries, it's a little better hidden at the sharp-end. In SA, however.... it's almost like being a fly on the wall of a private board-member meeting.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

whats the alternative? barter system like in medieval times?
salt?, spices? feathers? beads?

fact remains this is the society we have, for better or worse,
unless we all die in one big Nuclear winter and survive by scrounging for scraps hoping to not die from radiation poisoning.

now systems have been developed, crypto, sure it isnt perfect, and sure remains to be seen how it will survive the end times,
but for now, I dont see alternatives being offered?

unless of course we live in complete anarchy, and people take what they want, when they want with no rules or laws.

 

[Cray]

Just this week a teacher in Ireland had their bank account frozen for declining to use gender pronouns (a case of compelled speech).

As usual, the devil is in the details which you ignore to fear monger. His account was frozen because he owes money for fines.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news...-40000-in-frozen-bank-account/a226989077.html

An order of garnishee – effectively freezing funds in Mr Burke’s bank account so fines totalling €79,100 can be deducted from it – was also granted on a conditional basis by Mr Justice David Nolan.

The dude owes €79 100 in fines, his bank account hold €40 000.

The fines were levied for contempt of court and for breaching courts orders forbidding him to return to the school he was fired from.

But hey, don't let the truth get in the way of your BS narrative.

 

[lexity]

As usual, the devil is in the details which you ignore to fear monger. His account was frozen because he owes money for fines.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news...-40000-in-frozen-bank-account/a226989077.html



The dude owes €79 100 in fines, his bank account hold €40 000.

The fines were levied for contempt of court and for breaching courts orders forbidding him to return to the school he was fired from.

But hey, don't let the truth get in the way of your BS narrative.

Oh, so let me take the opportunity to revise my potentially premature summation here...

He was first fired for breaching his contract, which required him to submit to compelled speech dictats, in a public school.

When he continued as though he never accepted those terms, they tried to use the courts to compel those dictats... with some success.

Am I anywhere in the ballpark?

 

[Cray]

Oh, so let me take the opportunity to revise my potentially premature summation here...

He was first fired for breaching his contract, which required him to submit to compelled speech dictats, in a public school.

When he continued as though he never accepted those terms, they tried to use the courts to compel those dictats... with some success.

Am I anywhere in the ballpark?

He was fired for disrespecting the wishes of a transgender student, it could have ended there. If you get fired you don't get to say "I don't accept that" and keep showing up to work.

He then violated multiple court orders telling him to stay away from the school for which he was fined and jailed. His bank account was frozen to recoup those fines, not for his initial stance.

 

[Smiggles]

Satoshi Nakamoto solved it 17 years ago already. The world just takes a few decades to catch on.

 

[Napalm2880]

there is a plan to eliminate cash

The reality in South Africa is that cash is expensive.

1. It's expensive to produce
2. It's expensive to transport and distribute
3. It's got a finite lifespan
4. It's hard to track

On the last point. Yes, the government needs to track money flows within the country, not only for tax purposes but also in order to manage the money supply. Cash makes this difficult. Digital money solves all of these problems, therefore PASA and the Reserve Bank want to move towards digital money.

 

[HAL 9000]

He was fired for disrespecting the wishes of a transgender student, it could have ended there. If you get fired you don't get to say "I don't accept that" and keep showing up to work.

He then violated multiple court orders telling him to stay away from the school for which he was fined and jailed. His bank account was frozen to recoup those fines, not for his initial stance.

Just for clarification on this particular issue, how many BIOLOGICAL genders for humans are there again? (and please don't try & defend / justify the other 80 or so 'fictitious mental aberrations' in your reply)...

From Grok 3:

 

[Cray]

Just for clarification on this particular issue, how many BIOLOGICAL genders

Perhaps you and Grok should research the definition of gender...

Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other.

Or did you mean to write Biological sex?

 

[saor]

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Retail customers paying with cash are increasingly being treated as 2nd-class citizens.

1.

Just this week a teacher in Ireland had their bank account frozen for declining to use gender pronouns (a case of compelled speech).

2.

Note: It would be very different if the plan was to run a dual system perpetually, which made digital-payments purely opt-in. (The clue is the fact there is a plan to eliminate cash. Free markets deprive control-freaks of the ability to dictate prices and quality. The natural tendency in a free market would be lowest-sustainable prices for the preferred quality)

3.

The behaviour of a Checkers cashier and a case in Ireland and some rambling about free marekts. Three different issues and I'm not really sure what your point is or how this is related.

 

[lexity]

He was fired for disrespecting the wishes of a transgender student, it could have ended there. If you get fired you don't get to say "I don't accept that" and keep showing up to work.

He then violated multiple court orders telling him to stay away from the school for which he was fined and jailed. His bank account was frozen to recoup those fines, not for his initial stance.

You just repeated what you said before.

No reply as to contractual terms, or whether it was private or public school.

Nothing about corrupt courts like the UK locking up innocent people.

I'm curious as to where this leads i.e. 'the details' you initially referred to yet stop short at contract terms. Let's bookmark this, so we can revisit

 

[lexity]

The behaviour of a Checkers cashier and a case in Ireland and some rambling about free marekts. Three different issues and I'm not really sure what your point is or how this is related.

Yes, that's what I thought.

At least you're honest.

So someone has a bank account frozen, ultimately for failing to comply with compelled speech threats, which in itself should be prosecutable in the courts.

Yet you are unable to connect that with digital-only financial system, where the State can forego commercial contracts in banking and dictate, ala Trudeux-vs-Truckers, who's finances can be plundered or shutdown.

The 2 kinds, #1:

https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/the-2-kinds-of-people.1276617/post-32571331

The 'free' in Free markets means free from uninvited 3rd parties dictating terms..

 

[lexity]

The reality in South Africa is that cash is expensive.

1. It's expensive to produce
2. It's expensive to transport and distribute
3. It's got a finite lifespan
4. It's hard to track

On the last point. Yes, the government needs to track money flows within the country, not only for tax purposes but also in order to manage the money supply. Cash makes this difficult. Digital money solves all of these problems, therefore PASA and the Reserve Bank want to move towards digital money.

It's not the State's business to manage money.

That is what is extremely expensive. Heck there isn't even a market in money, for God's sake. How can the highest quality, most affordable money be discovered while we are stuck being dictated to as to what best serves as money?

That fiat system, divorced from the gold/silver standards, has been a Johnny come lately system, based on Keynesian theories(in turn based on balanced budgets) which Volcker declared a failed system in the 70s.

Keynes himself, a keen Eugenicist, despised the frugality of the middle-class. And deliberately adopted a short-termist economic outlook well-encapsulated by his favorite line' in the long run we are all dead'. Iow, stop being so morally constrained you unwashed, bourgoise sticklers for fisal accountability.

 

[lexity]

 

[Cray]

You just repeated what you said before.

No reply as to contractual terms, or whether it was private or public school.

Does it matter? He was fired. If you want to go into the weeds about that then knock yourself out, I was merely pointing out your misrepresentation of the facts.

Nothing about corrupt courts like the UK locking up innocent people.

Remind me again what the UK courts have to do with a teacher in the republic of Ireland...? You really don't know much about this, i guess that explains why you got it so wrong...

I'm curious as to where this leads i.e. 'the details' you initially referred to yet stop short at contract terms. Let's bookmark this, so we can rerevisit.

He was ordered to stay away from the school and didn't, if he had an issue with his firing he should have hired a lawyer and sued rather than violating a court order.

 

[lexity]

You just repeated what you said before.

No reply as to contractual terms, or whether it was private or public school.

Does it matter? He was fired. If you want to go into the weeds about that then knock yourself out, I was merely pointing out your misrepresentation of the facts.

Ha ha haaa....

cray: [criticizes lexity for failing to go into detail]

lexity: okay, let's go into detail.... starting with contractual obligations

cray: oh, let's not get into the weeds

 

[Cray]

Ha ha haaa....

The nature of his contract has nothing to do with him violating several court orders. Even *if* he was fired unjustly that doesn't give him the right to occupy the school in defiance of a court order.

But of course, you don't give a sh*t about any of that because you want to make it about persecution due to compelled speech.

 

[lexity]

whats the alternative? barter system like in medieval times?
salt?, spices? feathers? beads?

The alternative is to re-introduce choice in money markets.

Let people choose what they think best works as money.

They managed to go from sea-shells and beads, in ancient times, to gold and silver.... why with allegedly superior money technology does it have to by force/mandated?

fact remains this is the society we have, for better or worse,
unless we all die in one big Nuclear winter and survive by scrounging for scraps hoping to not die from radiation poisoning.

That's quite a bleak picture. Are we there already?

now systems have been developed, crypto, sure it isnt perfect, and sure remains to be seen how it will survive the end times,
but for now, I dont see alternatives being offered?

The only benefit to crypto is/was in pitching a better form of money without permission from the State.

How's that going, with Roger Ver being held in Spain without a conviction?

Free Roger Ver Campaign | #FreeRoger

Roger Ver has been a prominent advocate for Bitcoin and financial freedom. This campaign seeks to raise awareness about the unjust treatment he's facing. We're calling on supporters to take action by signing the petition.

www.freerogernow.org

unless of course we live in complete anarchy, and people take what they want, when they want with no rules or laws.

I thought anarchy meant an=no, archy=rulers, or at least it was agnostic as to top-down/bottom-up determined rules.

Anarchy doesn't preclude a rules-based order.... it just suggests that it can be top-down rules, or those chosen by the people i.e. bottom-up/grass-roots.